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Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by Sanddancer »

sitkack wrote: post #32
tymekpavel wrote: post #10

I'm surprised the chancellor hasn't been forced to resign yet. Beyond authorizing the pepper spray incident, she's made many more questionable decisions. 1. Serving on the DeVry board without permission from the UC President, and receiving a generous paycheck. All while DeVry is under federal investigation. 2. Serving on the board of a company selling textbooks to students and receiving stock-based compensation total…

But she was a true benefactor for all these wonderful images, https://www.google.com/search?q=uc+davis+pepper+spray+meme&b... Isn't active "cleaning up" of the internet by a government entity a violation of those people's free speech?

No. The cleaning up, though reprehensible, is not violating their free speech, because there's no prior restraint and no legal penalties. However, the Chancellor will hopefully have a significant amount of explaining to do as to why she is spending so much of the public's money on this whitewashing.

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by brianwawok »

SilasX wrote: post #59
labster wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because University was the best time in your life, and every day now is a dreary slog of mediocrity. By giving money, you can reclaim a part of your glory days that won't come again. You can feel like giving to other students will help their lives, as a pale imitation of what it would be like to be with that group again, having fun and chasing girls instead of supporting a dead-end marriage with a mind-numbing job. I…

If you believed in "supporting higher education", there are probably better ways than supporting the one exclusive blue-blood institution you happened to attend ...

Your self interest lies in it making your resume better. If you and all your class gave say 10% of your income to your school, maybe new students would graduate knowing more and make you look good. Or maybe the school gets bigger TVs and a better football coach.

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by prawn »

tymekpavel wrote: post #10

I'm surprised the chancellor hasn't been forced to resign yet. Beyond authorizing the pepper spray incident, she's made many more questionable decisions. 1. Serving on the DeVry board without permission from the UC President, and receiving a generous paycheck. All while DeVry is under federal investigation. 2. Serving on the board of a company selling textbooks to students and receiving stock-based compensation total…

#2 is an unhealthy conflict of interest that saddens me. I remember buying $100 textbooks that were quickly out of date and too heavy to lug around.

Anyone in a senior position like this should have the interests of students and their education at heart and be doing everything they can to provide students with accurate and affordable learning materials. In fact, I don't see why their creation shouldn't be subsidised and so they can be freely provided in electronic format to students. The curriculum should be free of copyright.

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by ethbro »

prawn wrote: post #63
tymekpavel wrote: post #10

I'm surprised the chancellor hasn't been forced to resign yet. Beyond authorizing the pepper spray incident, she's made many more questionable decisions. 1. Serving on the DeVry board without permission from the UC President, and receiving a generous paycheck. All while DeVry is under federal investigation. 2. Serving on the board of a company selling textbooks to students and receiving stock-based compensation total…

#2 is an unhealthy conflict of interest that saddens me. I remember buying $100 textbooks that were quickly out of date and too heavy to lug around. Anyone in a senior position like this should have the interests of students and their education at heart and be doing everything they can to provide students with accurate and affordable learning materials. In fact, I don't see why their creation shouldn't be subsidised…

I remember buying $200 textbooks that were absolutely terrible.

The professors I respected most were those that said either "none of the course materials will be taken directly from the book" or "there will be no book for this class, here are a number of texts that are good, get a used copy from Amazon."

PS: For anyone in undergrad, #1 question when you start a semester -- email professors and ask if the text is required, and if so, whether a previous version can be used. (I know publishers are getting worse and worse about one-time-use codes and "enhanced offerings" though)

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by cloudjacker »

tymekpavel wrote: post #10

I'm surprised the chancellor hasn't been forced to resign yet. Beyond authorizing the pepper spray incident, she's made many more questionable decisions. 1. Serving on the DeVry board without permission from the UC President, and receiving a generous paycheck. All while DeVry is under federal investigation. 2. Serving on the board of a company selling textbooks to students and receiving stock-based compensation total…

lets see

$500,000 + generous salary

$10,000 for perception management

easy bet for me too

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by Retra »

brianwawok wrote: post #62
SilasX wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believed in "supporting higher education", there are probably better ways than supporting the one exclusive blue-blood institution you happened to attend ...

Your self interest lies in it making your resume better. If you and all your class gave say 10% of your income to your school, maybe new students would graduate knowing more and make you look good. Or maybe the school gets bigger TVs and a better football coach.

Or maybe the administrators give themselves a raise.

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by wildmusings »

SilasX wrote: post #59
labster wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because University was the best time in your life, and every day now is a dreary slog of mediocrity. By giving money, you can reclaim a part of your glory days that won't come again. You can feel like giving to other students will help their lives, as a pale imitation of what it would be like to be with that group again, having fun and chasing girls instead of supporting a dead-end marriage with a mind-numbing job. I…

If you believed in "supporting higher education", there are probably better ways than supporting the one exclusive blue-blood institution you happened to attend ...

If you truly want to support higher education, your best bet is to refuse to donate until the colleges cut their wasteful spending and lower tuition. This is doubly true for private universities. When they call asking for money, tell them why they're not getting any. Nothing will change until the money stops flowing.

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by prawn »

ethbro wrote: post #64
prawn wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#2 is an unhealthy conflict of interest that saddens me. I remember buying $100 textbooks that were quickly out of date and too heavy to lug around. Anyone in a senior position like this should have the interests of students and their education at heart and be doing everything they can to provide students with accurate and affordable learning materials. In fact, I don't see why their creation shouldn't be subsidised…

I remember buying $200 textbooks that were absolutely terrible. The professors I respected most were those that said either "none of the course materials will be taken directly from the book" or "there will be no book for this class, here are a number of texts that are good, get a used copy from Amazon." PS: For anyone in undergrad, #1 question when you start a semester -- email professors and ask if the text is requ…

I have read about those shady techniques from publishers. Universities should refuse to deal with them and those proven to take favours for making these publishers required should be penalised.

Re: UC Davis spent thousands to scrub pepper spray references from Internet

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Post by labster »

Retra wrote: post #66
brianwawok wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your self interest lies in it making your resume better. If you and all your class gave say 10% of your income to your school, maybe new students would graduate knowing more and make you look good. Or maybe the school gets bigger TVs and a better football coach.

Or maybe the administrators give themselves a raise.

That's not how academia works, at least at a public school. Administrators rarely get raises, and get pay cuts whenever the economy gets bad. This is why administrators are frequently overpaid when first hired, because they know that it's close to their earnings ceiling. If you want to get more income as an administrator, you have to move to a new job.

No, that money is going to athletics for bigger telescreens and not for student athletes. Ever since the Larry Vanderhoef chancellery, Davis has been spending more and more on athletics, with little to show for it.

I just wish Emil Mrak was still around as chancellor -- that guy was awesome. He managed to keep students from massive protests at UCD during the free speech movement era by shipping them in free buses to protest at UCSB, and he introduced all of the bicycle infrastructure in Davis. Instead, we have a profiteer running the campus, in cahoots with the nation's former top cop.

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