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A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Moreover, to keep the beam tightly focused on one probe at a time would require an adaptive optics system that compensated for atmospheric turbulence — something astronomers know how to do over a span of 10 meters, the size of a big telescope mirror now, but not over a mile. Would it be easier just to put the lasers on the moon?

The moon is really dusty, which might be problematic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_soil#Moon_dust_fountains...

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be nice if they could use solar wind to decelerate as they approached. I know there's not enough energy there to insert them into an orbit, but they might get time for a few more pictures?

Just flip the battery in the laser around and it will pull instead of pushing.

You mean we should... reverse the polarity?

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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> Estimating that the project could cost $5 billion to $10 billion, Mr. Milner is initially investing $100 million for research and development. He said he was hoping to lure other investors, especially from international sources.

It would be cool if there was one or more endowments for this sort of thing, to perpetuate the mission(s), similar to how schools have endowments.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Oddly the most practical use for this is as an interstellar weapon. You don't need to solve the problem of communicating back to Earth, you just need a little terminal guidance. If an iPhone weighs 100 g and we use a non-relativistic formula for energy at 1/4c, that is 2.8 x 10^14 joules, a ton of TNT equivalent is about 4.1 x 10^9 joules, so that is a cool 70kT -- The impact velocity would be high enough to break th…

The probes would be 1g, not 100g. They're sending the "guts" of an iPhone.

7kT is half of the Hiroshima bomb. Still destructive, especially if you've got a bunch of them.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Sending a swarm of unguided relativistic projectiles across the universe seems profoundly rude.

> a swarm of unguided relativistic projectiles In a sense, this is essentially what the universe is .

I don't think you'll find 0.2c relative velocities except near very energetic phenomena, especially not of things that are too small to easily see coming.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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So the whole thing should weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutes? And whatever laser sources we're using must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers. Perfectly. (I…

I love these napkin calculations. The relativistic effect shifts the frequency by 22.47% for 0.2c. Given a 445nm laser (the powerful blue ones), that's 545nm when redshifted (green). It's a bit of a jump, but that wavelength is still smack in the "solar atmospheric absorbtion spectrum window" -- you won't lose much of the energy in the atmosphere. Reading this page diagonally [ http://www.edmundoptics.com/resources/a…

Umm... 0.5% of 100GW is 500MW, or about the power of a nuclear reactor. The spaceship won't survive a millisecond.

We need way better than 99.5%.

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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So, how is a tiny smartphone-sized probe supposed to transmit data back to Earth from 4.37ly away?

I would think you could modulate a retroreflector to send data directly back to Earth using a small piece of the same laser used for propulsion.

Similar to how the retroreflectors on the moon allow you to bounce a laser off of them and send it directly back to you.

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Sending a swarm of unguided relativistic projectiles across the universe seems profoundly rude.

Ten thousand years from then, some alien on some planet somewhere might have a very bad day.

"Cool, an iPhone."

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#69
I am a self-proclaimed 'newbie' when it comes to understanding energy, astronomy, and physics in general, but I have a few questions and any answers or opinions would be appreciated:

1.) Why in the world does the 'Light / Laser Beamer' need to be physically located on earth? Why not in space?

2.) Is building 'check-points' for both data and power atop the planets not a possibility? (Solar, chemical, etc).

Re: A Visionary Project Aims for Alpha Centauri, a Star 4.37 Light-Years Away

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Moreover, to keep the beam tightly focused on one probe at a time would require an adaptive optics system that compensated for atmospheric turbulence — something astronomers know how to do over a span of 10 meters, the size of a big telescope mirror now, but not over a mile. Would it be easier just to put the lasers on the moon?

It might be easier to fire the lasers from the moon, but getting the lasers to the moon would be a huge pain.

Yeah, but then we'd be on the Moon. Again.
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