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Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

nice_byte wrote: post #54
foota wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Javascript is plenty fast, I don't see why you shouldn't use it to power a browser.

It's not just about the speed of executing Javascript code. The UI is rendered with the browser's rendering engine. I've used Atom and it was a disaster, so I no longer trust any desktop applications written using that technology. I think that if you're going to write a desktop application, you should either use your native platform's APIs or pick a GUI toolkit that can give you a native look and feel. It'll give you…

Please don't write off an entire technology because of one slow early release of an example of it. There should be better ways of utilising native UIs, I'll give you that.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by V-2 »

Aoyagi wrote: post #56
V-2 wrote: post #50

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If I recall correctly, Opera dropped even bookmarks at that point.

Yep! They brought that revolutionary feature back in about a year.

Yeah, they really stripped it down... at least it put an end to all the fanboy gangs who used to jump into any browser-related discussion, trying to convince everyone how Opera invented everything including tabs (it didn't invent tabs), and how other browsers are nothing but knock-offs that don't even have a torrent client built-in ; )

(No offense to Opera supporters - I used it on PC for a while and it worked very well esp. on slower machines, and I use it on Android to this day - but this was annoying like hell)

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by ponyous »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #60
ponyous wrote: post #52

I really like it for a few reasons: - On OSX all browsers except Safari consume battery like crazy - In Vivaldi you can use "hibernate background tabs" and it will take a lot less resources - Vertical tabs - I tend to have a lot of tabs open (Hibernate feature is even more handy in this case) - Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window

> Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Mini-windows? Pages? Panes? Anyway, we also have tiling window managers, OSX's very limited equivalent, full-screen modes that are very slightly different…

This is why you pick and use one browser. I like the difference and choice to pick whichever functionality (browser) I want.

> I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things?

Are you saying that we should do all "window" management on OS level? I want to maximise screen estate, having 2 windows side by side with vertical tabs will just take way too much space on a laptop screen.

Compare the following and tell me which one do you prefer:

http://imgur.com/4rxsF3G http://imgur.com/X4FsuAB

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by Aoyagi »

V-2 wrote: post #63
Aoyagi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep! They brought that revolutionary feature back in about a year.

Yeah, they really stripped it down... at least it put an end to all the fanboy gangs who used to jump into any browser-related discussion, trying to convince everyone how Opera invented everything including tabs (it didn't invent tabs), and how other browsers are nothing but knock-offs that don't even have a torrent client built-in ; ) (No offense to Opera supporters - I used it on PC for a while and it worked very w…

Well they were the first ones to implement it natively, by default and made it an integral part of their browser, and were successful with it. Of course they didn't invent it though. They didn't "invent" things like Dragonfly, Unite features, Turbo, etc., but I strongly believe the implementation is bloody good :P

But I don't count among those who call other browsers rubbish because they don't have some features. Personal preference and all that. However, I hate Opera Mini. It has little to no control. Not Mobile though! (if it still exists)

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

rplnt wrote: post #58
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #44

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Also try Otter Browser ( http://www.otter-browser.org/ ). It aims to replicate the feature set of old Opera, with the same idea of being usable out of the box, and it doesn't use as slow a technology as Vivaldi. It still is lacking some important stuff (such as passwords manager) but it's actually progressing at a very good pace considering it's practically a single-person FOSS project. On the other hand it's also We…

I follow them as well (mostly by idling on irc and posting major releases to reddit; I don't contribute). It's a nice project. Though I don't particularly agree with their priorities (i.e. recreating complete Opera 12.x). For me Opera wasn't great because it had bundled irc/torrent/mail clients. I couldn't care less about those. It was great because it was stable, fast, small, memory efficient. No other browser was e…

Well, I didn't care much for torrent and email in Opera 12, but they didn't bother me either, as they didn't seem to spend any resources when they were not used. Even with torrent, email and IRC, Opera was still the fastest and most lightweight browser around by a mile.

The thing with Opera features is that each user had their own pet features. In fact, when Opera released the new Chrome-based versions, removing lots of features, they claimed that those features were not used by the vast majority of users (an example was bookmarks which they claimed was unused by more than 90% according from their survey data). And it may very well be true, but the problem is that each particular feature was used by a different minority, so they upset a lot of users even if for different reasons for each user (in my case, menu bar, MDI and "click tab to minimize" were some of the biggest ones, other people don't care about these but loved tab stacking which I always turned off, etc.)

In view of this, even if I didn't use all Opera's features, I think trying to implement the full feature set is a sensible goal.

For the record I think the bundled clients, at least IRC and torrent, are quite low priority in Otter anyway.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by k__ »

onion2k wrote: post #15

One of the things that makes Vivaldi unique is that it is built on modern web technologies. We use JavaScript and React to create the user interface with the help of Node.js and a long list of NPM modules. Vivaldi is the web built with the web. By the looks of things Vivaldi is Chromium with a skin written using React, but there's no links to a repo or any API documentation as far as I can tell. The extensions page i…

> a long list of NPM modules

doesn't sound like a good thing.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by piyush_soni »

rplnt wrote: post #53
piyush_soni wrote: post #42

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Just curious - for you, personally, what makes Firefox complicated? Just want to know people's reasons about what makes software look complicated.

Firefox itself isn't. But configuring the UI and getting some functionality in is. (Some) extensions are huge bundles of functionality, affecting things all over the place. It's not a fault of firefox, but firefox caused it by not having very basic functionality built in (namely tab ordering, cycling, ...). Then there are frustrating things like how do I move the reload/stop button to the left? Why do have quite powe…

Yeah, IIRC, you used to be able to move the Reload/stop button. They stopped supporting it for some reason. I use add-ons for other tab related things that affect me.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by tokenizerrr »

Aoyagi wrote: post #7
Etheryte wrote: post #4

I'm yet to understand the hype. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like notes in the browser or stacking tabs next to one another. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or a window manager. I would rather a browser be simple and most importantly stable and fast.

I'm yet to understand all the attention smartphones get. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like address books and instant messaging in the phone or taking photos. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or other devices. I would rather a phone be simple and most importantly reliable and fast.

That analogy makes no sense. "standalone applications" running on what? a non-smart phone? that would make the phone smart.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #60
ponyous wrote: post #52

I really like it for a few reasons: - On OSX all browsers except Safari consume battery like crazy - In Vivaldi you can use "hibernate background tabs" and it will take a lot less resources - Vertical tabs - I tend to have a lot of tabs open (Hibernate feature is even more handy in this case) - Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window

> Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Mini-windows? Pages? Panes? Anyway, we also have tiling window managers, OSX's very limited equivalent, full-screen modes that are very slightly different…

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