Good, Windows 7 is a security problem (or will be, soon).
Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
#62uhh. Could this not set them up for a lawsuit? I mean, I assume and argument could be made that there's some liability involved in MS screws up the installation or if some program fails to continue to function. This should be fun to watch.
If enough people file complaints with the FTC and/or state Attorney Generals, they might get involved as well.
I wonder how privacy settings are being handled, and whether harm is being done to those who are automatically upgraded.
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#63Sorry, why is this a big deal? We've completely accepted auto updates for browsers (chrme & firefox) - years ago. Obviously better, compatibility improves and security issues are easier to push out and fix. To me the browser is as important as the OS, I spend the vast majority of my time in it. Why should MSFT not do this? It's a free update. They're not charging for it. On many aspects, it's a lot better than Window…
> We've completely accepted auto updates for browsers (chrme & firefox) - years ago.
I have not accepted auto updates that I can't turn off for anything, ever.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does your father still have the laptop? If so, ask him not to use it until you can get hold of it, and when you do I'd suggest running a Linux live distro on the machine with tools to recover deleted files, there's a decent chance you'll be able to recover many of them. I've had success with the tools included in Trinity Rescue Kit before, so I can recommend that to you. I've used it to recover a bunch of pictures th…
I agree. Depending on the size of the HDD and the amount of data lost, there's a good chance that some data can be recovered, especially small files like office documents. That said, it's a HDD wipe followed immediately by a full Windows installation, so there's a high chance a lot of the data were overwritten already.
Sure, there's a chance some of it was overwritten already, though hopefully Windows 7 and Windows 10 are a similar size on disk, which would mean that it'd mostly be OS files that were overwritten (as Windows should be installed on the early sectors of the hard disk in both cases).
Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
#65This is probably like having your car towed: technically there’s something that says they are allowed to do it but you sure as hell don’t expect it to happen, you don’t want it to happen, it will cost you time and money and at the wrong time it could really screw you. Thanks, Microsoft!
Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
#66If you ever asked yourself how does one feel when assimilated by the Borg... now you know.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just got upgraded Saturday and the EULA specifically says that you can't bring a class action lawsuit against them. They want you to try arbitration for 60 days and if that doesn't work then you can try small claims. Yeah, sure. Anyway I had two problems afterwards. It logged me into a TEMP account so no config changes were saved and my files appeared to be all missing. They weren't, it just the shortcuts all point…
I know clickwrap EULAs have been contentious, but can a EULA for something you didn't even ask for and didn't want in the first place be forced on you against your will?
I had the option to not accept the EULA. In that case I was then free to not install Windows 10 despite it "prepping my system for the update" for an hour.
I figured any attempt at a roll back at that point would have been worse than just proceeding. =(
Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
#68At some point recently windows update on windows 7 decided to change settings from "tell you about updates and you choose when to download and install them" to "I'll download everything and nag you to death with countdown timer until you update"
The most infuriating thing about that being that if you turn your computer on in the morning from hibernation go make a coffee and get some breakfast, by the time you come back your computer has restarted (because apparently who cares you weren't logged in and your screen was still locked, fuck you we're forcing a restarting and you're losing any unsaved work, bad luck sucker!)
I killed the windows update service permanently it infuriated me so much.
Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
#69Maybe the way to block it is still: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1 The MSFT decision to perform forced updates is covered, for example, by Extreme Tech, February 2: "Look out: Microsoft shifts Windows 10 to ‘Recommended’ update, automatic download" http://www.extremetech.com/computing/222326-look-out-micro…
I'm really hoping this crap badly affects the computers of some large justice/gov systems around the world (and/or the home computers of senior judges). That should get the right people involved for sticking the boots in.
If the sys admin is doing there jobs correctly than system updates should be coming from a Windows update server using group policy rather than directly over the Internet. Nothing kills productivity like 1000 PCs trying to download the same files simultaneously.
Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade
#70Sorry, why is this a big deal? We've completely accepted auto updates for browsers (chrme & firefox) - years ago. Obviously better, compatibility improves and security issues are easier to push out and fix. To me the browser is as important as the OS, I spend the vast majority of my time in it. Why should MSFT not do this? It's a free update. They're not charging for it. On many aspects, it's a lot better than Window…
I sympathize with MSFT, but the main reason they shouldn't unilaterally force the issue is because it won't always work. The upgrade process is pretty reliable, but not completely, and there are all sorts of compatibility problems still lurking (Windows Media Center is gone, lots of hardware doesn't have Windows 10 drivers)
Google is taking the longer view; they want to fix fragmentation, and are moving towards it step by step, improving matters on tomorrow's devices, without bricking today's devices. MSFT is trying to make it happen sooner by forcing the issue instead of gradually migrating.