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Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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"Sure, here it is compiled to assembly and stripped of all comments." is sort of what I'd expect

If you analyze malware for a living, then the assembly is the source code. :) It's really not that much of an issue. It makes things more fun. I am curious about whether they developed the malware in-house or if they hired a contractor. Is there any information out there on this? I wouldn't be surprised if they cut out parts, which may hint at a particular contractor having developed the malware. Also, I still do not…

I remember reading on the Tor project blog that the malware was based on a reverse engineered security patch. The browser bundle was afterward changed to aggressively prompt the user to update when a new version is out in order to prevent a similar scenario.

Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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Unless this is different from the shellcode they used when taking down Freedom Hosting, I'm not sure what releasing it would do. There are already numerous analyses of the code: - Vlad Tsyrklevich: http://tsyrklevich.net/tbb_payload.txt - Gareth Owenson: http://owenson.me/fbi-tor-malware-analysis/ - My own analysis based on running it in PANDA: https://www.reddit.com/r/ReverseEngineering/comments/1jpln2/... (you can…

One benefit is to have documented evidence that FBI did release malware to the public. There has been little to no discussion on safeguards or liability when it comes to government published malware, and I wonder if a concrete example can enable such discussion.

Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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So the headline uses the word "pedophiles", but in the article the word is nowhere to be found. Maybe that's because this sting isn't necessarily about pedophiles, but about people watching and trading child pornography. Using "pedophiles" only serves to reinforce the stigma of a already heavily stigmatized minority. The word "pedophile" should be defined as someone with a sexual attraction towards children. It doesn…

I feel that people who watch child porn and find it appealing rather than repulsive - qualifies you as a pedophile in my book. It's certainly a lesser crime than actual sexual assault of a child. But watching sexual assault for enjoyment and trading in these videos is still a crime. The term pedophile fits just fine as far as I'm concerned.

A pedophile emotionally identifies with children. A perfect example of this was the guy in the movie Con-Air who sought out the little girl in the trailer park and sat with her to play at tea-time.

Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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The dissonance is accepted in this case because of the repulsive nature of the crimes, as determined by our current social consensus. Philosophical purity is very appealing, but ultimately the justifications we use for why the law is the way it is only have to stand up long enough to convince most interested parties that we're doing the right thing.

Stated another way, the law is being ignored because these particular criminal defendants' rights don't matter when they're inconvenient, based on the crime(s) they were accused of. When the law is influenced by societal consensus the legal system becomes a farce.

I think when the law is not influenced by societal consensus it becomes a farce. In many ways the societal consensus on morality is law wheather it maintained by the state, vigilantes or in this case a legal fiction which is some combination of both.

Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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Stated another way, the law is being ignored because these particular criminal defendants' rights don't matter when they're inconvenient, based on the crime(s) they were accused of. When the law is influenced by societal consensus the legal system becomes a farce.

I think when the law is not influenced by societal consensus it becomes a farce. In many ways the societal consensus on morality is law wheather it maintained by the state, vigilantes or in this case a legal fiction which is some combination of both.

I think this quote by the recently passed Justice Scalia is appropriate here

"the Constitution, or any text, should be interpreted [n]either strictly [n]or sloppily; it should be interpreted reasonably"

Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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Are the viewers paying the operator? If not, I'm not sure you can really argue they're legally responsible for "encouraging" the operator. The operator could say, "I'm going to make another child abuse video for every million people that vote for Hillary Clinton", and no one would blame voters for "encouraging" him. Even if the operator has ads on the site, I don't think it's reasonable to call the viewers culpable--…

Not everybody is motivated by money. Some people enjoy being rewarded with karma/lulz/creds/likes. Is someone legally responsible for "liking" a child porn/terror/homeless beating video? Currently you are for the first case, sometime for the second. Should "liking" or viewing criminal content be a crime? That's a tough question. It certainly encourages the production of such content (for money or karma).

So, then, what if:

  - the website is run by someone unconnected to the original
    producer of the videos, who doesn't know the website exists?
  - the person hosting the website got the content years in
    the past?
  - the original producer of the videos is no longer doing such
    things, perhaps is dead or has a life sentence in jail?
Also, if we allow motivations like, say, getting high ratings and prominence on a website (and, to be sure, I haven't heard that this website supported user ratings and stuff), how about things like fame and getting your name in the headlines? Even if you're presented in a negative light, I'm sure there's a fair number of criminals who enjoy the thought that many people are disgusted and horrified by them, because it makes them feel powerful to have affected them so. Therefore, should newspapers that publish stories about horrible criminals be considered liable for encouraging criminal behavior?

I think anytime that question has come up, the answer has generally been "no". An example comes to mind: whether newspapers should publish the names of kids who have committed suicide, for fear that it would encourage copycat behavior. I think most newspapers do avoid that, but that's as a voluntary policy they adopt, and something that other newspapers would look down on you for if you did it--nothing like criminal liability. Likewise, some have suggested that widely publicizing terrorist attacks is helping the terrorists achieve their goals; but as far as I know, the media continue to publicize it extensively because it attracts a (paying?) audience. Laws criminalizing these things would probably be seen as a violation of the First Amendment.

Why are the media allowed to give criminals and terrorists nationwide infamy and attention, while a pervert is not allowed to give a CP site operator pageviews? I expect someone would argue that the media being allowed to report on everything is important, while anything pedophiles want is not important, even if it may give them a way to get their jollies without going out and doing things to real children. I have a feeling it's more about the political position of journalists vs that of perverts.

I think the arguments in favor of the prohibition of the possession or consumption of child pornography are rationalizations made up after the fact for the laws that already exist; that these arguments tend to fall apart under serious scrutiny, or to, if consistently applied, justify a much more authoritarian society than we have; that people make these arguments to defend their position, which they've chosen because of their emotions about pedophiles, which are generally unreasoned fear or hatred of a greater or lesser degree; that you see such intense hate against pedophiles because they're a convenient, safe target for hate, and some people love to hate, especially if they're contemptible themselves[1];

that this is so unreasoned that both laws and actual prosecution have fallen upon (a) drawn art of non-real minors [the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a law of this sort; other countries like Australia have not] and (b) minors sexting pictures of themselves [so now the laws are harming children, whom the law was allegedly meant to protect]; that people have probably been slower to propose and pass laws that don't charge sexting teenagers with CP because that goes against the unreasoning-hatred flow; and that authoritarians find the irrationally anti-pedophile mob useful for achieving their political ends, be it passing laws requiring ISPs to start filtering their traffic, passing over-broad censorship laws that happen to cover adult pornography or other things they dislike as well, justifying more extensive surveillance, or smearing anyone who opposes the above as being "pro-pedophile".

In short, I have a bad feeling about anyone who advocates measures against anyone who has not been specifically shown to have either abused children or knowingly encouraged anyone else to do it.

[1] Elsewhere in this thread, people have mentioned sex offenders getting beaten and killed in prison, and I googled a bit: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/16/ap-exclusive-sex-offend...

Re: Judge Rules FBI Must Reveal Malware It Used to Hack Over 1,000 Computers

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Well biologically the person has inherited some genes that function in such a way as to lead to their obsession with young people. At the end of the day this is very much a mental problem that can be remedied with bioengineering. Not much else you can do for these people. To criminalize it in all of its forms, is the same thing as criminalizing any sexuality. Perhaps one day we'll create an algorithm that can generat…

Well biologically the person has inherited some genes that function in such a way as to lead to their obsession with younger people. That includes everyone. Women with the most neotenous traits are considered the most attractive in every human society. [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny#In_humans

So is that to say that it's completely a choice and so we should treat these people as criminals and simply jail them with harsh sentences if they don't conform to our societal norms?

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What's the better word?

I don't believe there is a specific term for someone who watches child pornography. Is there even a term for someone who watches legal consensual adult pornography?

Paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children. Hebophiles are attracted to post-pubescent children, but possibly under the age of consent.

I learned this from a Netflix documentary.

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Has it been proven that Pedophilia is genetic, tho?

Has homosexuality? In general in many of these cases they is definitely some element of OCD involved, as in hoarding millions of images, and the criminal offenses are set up in a way to penalize for each image using the same sort of logic as above. But then that's common for other people with what are considered normal sexual orientations, having a huge porn collection. I mean the deviant element of this is that it's…

There was an episode of radiolab or something where a guy had a brain injury and became an obsessive child porn collector. The DA argued that even if he had an illness, if he was cognizant enough to hide his activity from his spouse, he was cognizant enough to seek help instead of continuing his behavior in secret.

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Moreover, if you create a legal system with perfect consistency, you'd going to be astounded by how much injustice it produces. The law is not a programming language.

One noteworthy bastardization of modern justice is that our right to trial by a jury of our peers has long been infringed. We are supposed to be judged by people of our approximate age, origin, location, background, etc, to allow for a greater understanding of context. Random jury selection is an abomination.

You are arbitrarily defining "peer".
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