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Lawsuits Claim Disney Colluded to Replace U.S. Workers with Immigrants

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Re: Lawsuits Claim Disney Colluded to Replace U.S. Workers with Immigrants

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Post by calvinbhai »

davidw wrote: post #6

The real fix to this is to make sure that people brought over with an H1-B can easily change jobs. That way they're not beholden to some low-wage job, and companies that bring people in merely for low wages will face high rates of churn.

Totally agree with this! This will make the employers think twice before sponsoring H1b, and will ensure that they treat (in terms of pay and work load) their immigrant employees equal (to americans).

Until this happens, Americans are going to be at the receiving end.

Even limiting number (drawn out of thin air) of visas, or increasing the cost of the visa, doesn't solve any issues. If anything, it'll make it worse for the legit h1b sponsoring company to bear the costs and handle the immigration process.

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Post by HarryHirsch »

diogenescynic wrote: post #23
davidw wrote: post #6

The real fix to this is to make sure that people brought over with an H1-B can easily change jobs. That way they're not beholden to some low-wage job, and companies that bring people in merely for low wages will face high rates of churn.

In my opinion, the real fix is to make the H-1B 'lottery' into an auction. Instead of accepting 65,000 H-1Bs at random--accept the 65,000 H-1Bs with the highest wages. That way we are getting the immigrants with the highest valued skills and stopping companies like Cognizant and Infosys that game the immigration system by applying for the cheapest H-1Bs possible.

Just why should the companies be able to bid on the labour? If there is a labour shortage in an industry, surely one can come up with a number of slots and then hand our green cards to the immigrants who can pick the employer that offers the best conditions.

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Post by outworlder »

protomyth wrote: post #46
outworlder wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is, it is the main reason, and the purpose of the visa. It doesn't mean that all companies use it for that purpose, despite what they say. Note that, according to the article, the laid off people seem to be (relatively speaking) older, with multiple years in the company. It is likely that their salaries are higher than what management would like them to be. My theory makes the prediction that the H1 holders are young…

> Is, it is the main reason, and the purpose of the visa. It doesn't mean that all companies use it for that purpose, despite what they say. Yes, it is the main purpose: http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud.

> If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud.

Yes. Not all of them, but some definitely are.

Re: Lawsuits Claim Disney Colluded to Replace U.S. Workers with Immigrants

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Post by darkarmani »

dangerboysteve wrote: post #32
dustinchilson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've done a ton of innovation. http://www.wired.com/2015/03/disney-magicband/

how is RFID use innovative?

It's hard to see if you don't actually read the article.

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Post by DannoHung »

davidw wrote: post #56
wfo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you can always truck in a slew of desperate people willing to work for lower and lower wages until we descend into de facto slavery (not even being hyperbolic, that's essentially what many sweatshops are in some countries, look at hypercapitalist Dubai where companies retain control of 'employee's passports and refuse to return them so employees cannot escape the country/near-fatal working conditions). We've…

IT jobs are pretty easy to export, too, so if there's a big disparity, sooner or later, the jobs can go the other direction, if the people can't come in this (towards the US) direction.

It's easy to say, "IT jobs are pretty easy to export".

In practice, this depends on a number of factors being aligned correctly and an organization being tuned to the idea of remote work. Especially if the deliverable of the IT job in question is part of the core function of the organization.

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Post by kyllo »

davidw wrote: post #50
fra wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether 65,000 is the right number or not isn't the important bit. While it may seem unpalatable on its face, granting the visa to the candidates with the highest paying offer is the simplest, least prone to abuse way I can think of to bring about the stated purpose of the H1B visa.

Without a number, there is no scarcity, and if there's no scarcity, there's no bidding. So with a bidding system, you absolutely do need someone in power to pick a magical number.

Conversely, without a magic number, you don't need a bidding system. So what do you need?

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Post by calvinbhai »

protomyth wrote: post #41
davidw wrote: post #6

The real fix to this is to make sure that people brought over with an H1-B can easily change jobs. That way they're not beholden to some low-wage job, and companies that bring people in merely for low wages will face high rates of churn.

No, the real fix is to make sure the actual goals of the program align with what actually happens. At this point, saying that each H1-B worker must make $117,700[1] or more to prove they are skilled beyond US workers seems to be a fair change. After all, if you can hire US citizens cheaper, you are not fulfilling the goals of the program[2]. 1) 10x poverty guidelines in US for 2015. 2) http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigrat…

it is not fair. Its not fair for genuine h1b sponsoring companies in geographic locations where cost of living is low.

$117,700 in San Francisco is not the same as $117,700 in Austin.

Again, any minimum salary requirement, becomes very easy to game (employee can be expected to pay back in cash, for the difference). This will put genuine companies (that cannot do such shady deals) at a great disadvantage

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Post by davidw »

DannoHung wrote: post #66
davidw wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IT jobs are pretty easy to export, too, so if there's a big disparity, sooner or later, the jobs can go the other direction, if the people can't come in this (towards the US) direction.

It's easy to say , "IT jobs are pretty easy to export". In practice, this depends on a number of factors being aligned correctly and an organization being tuned to the idea of remote work. Especially if the deliverable of the IT job in question is part of the core function of the organization.

Sure, it's complex. But if the disparity is great enough, people will find a way to make it happen.

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Post by utternerd »

adaml_623 wrote: post #55
utternerd wrote: post #38

If that replacement can serve the same purpose, and give approximately the same value to the company, why should the native and/or higher-waged person expect to have priority?

Because that's what the law, as decided by the democratic (well kind of) government, says. The laws should be good for the people in the country.

I meant more in a hypothetical context; I understand what the law is, and why (even though I disagree with it). Yet simply because it was passed by democratic means does not make it "right" either.
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