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Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by maxwin »

sqldba wrote: post #45

Wow, what a crock of shit. How did this get to the top of HN? - It seems the author has some problem with technical people but they never state what the problem is. - The author identifies that technical people aren't strong on "Problem solving, teamwork, self-teaching, communication, attention to detail, organization, etc." What the shit? These are exactly what makes technical people so strong. Maybe the author does…

Just don't understand why software devs tend to devalue their own work and skills as if it is something anyone can learn in a few days or weeks. I mean it is easy to start but very difficult to master.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by abandonliberty »

sqldba wrote: post #45

Wow, what a crock of shit. How did this get to the top of HN? - It seems the author has some problem with technical people but they never state what the problem is. - The author identifies that technical people aren't strong on "Problem solving, teamwork, self-teaching, communication, attention to detail, organization, etc." What the shit? These are exactly what makes technical people so strong. Maybe the author does…

I read your post before the article so I expected something completely different. You're clearly reading this article through a very interesting lens.

You claim that "The author identifies that technical people aren't strong on "Problem solving, teamwork, self-teaching, communication, attention to detail, organization, etc." What the shit? These are exactly what makes technical people so strong."

You may want to reread the first paragraph, because it AGREES with you:

"I have number of recent example of people . . . already SO strong on the non-code aspects of programming . . . Problem solving, teamwork, self-teaching, communication, attention to detail, organization, etc. "

Your other observations may have merit or they may be just as clouded as this one, so you don't seem like a very reliable source here.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by mistermann »

nomansland wrote: post #29

I like how he assumes that test engineering and project management are things you can just "fill someone's time with" until they learn something useful, like coding AND that someone will take 30k a year for. Really? In the valley, both test engineers and PMs for software eng projects are >90k/year positions. I've done both of those jobs and they've both required me already knowing how to code, writing code, and havin…

> they've both required me already knowing how to code, writing code, and having a CS degree.

All of this for only 90k, in silicon valley?

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by jondubois »

Hiring non-technical people into technical roles is OK if you also have some senior tech people to guide them.

You wouldn't want to have the inexperienced non-tech people making critical engineering decisions. Software development is like building a house of cards - If you want to build a tall structure, you have to start with a solid base.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by s3nnyy »

I am a tech-recruiter and I work for different companies in Switzerland. I could place a guy who went from 5+ years in accounting into a coding career after he went to a 3 month Ruby bootcamp in Canada. It seems that coding bootcamps are less prevalent in Europe compared to North America.

The company that hired him worked on a product that was accounting related, hence it was a perfect match.

Disclaimer: If you look for a tech-job in Switzerland, check out my story "8 reasons why I moved to Switzerland to work in IT" on https://medium.com/@iwaninzurich/eight-reasons-why-i-moved-t... and send me a mail to the address in my HN-profile.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by bobwaycott »

nomansland wrote: post #29

I like how he assumes that test engineering and project management are things you can just "fill someone's time with" until they learn something useful, like coding AND that someone will take 30k a year for. Really? In the valley, both test engineers and PMs for software eng projects are >90k/year positions. I've done both of those jobs and they've both required me already knowing how to code, writing code, and havin…

I find it pretty odd that you'd take a PM role that required you to write code and have a CS degree. It's definitely good if PMs understand the technologies they're working with, but requiring they know how to code, and actually code, as well as have a CS degree seems like an employer who is actually looking to hire a developer and get a PM for free. Or vice versa.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by SloopJon »

sqldba wrote: post #58
VeilEm wrote: post #25

That's fine, you do that, but I do not want to be an engineer at your company. I already have a junior engineer I'm working with and it's hard enough spending hours a week making sure their PRs get fixed, every PR has 20 to 40 comments in it. With someone who doesn't even know how to code? Forget it.

PR?

Pull request, I assume.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by lukaslalinsky »

Spooky23 wrote: post #11

"Growing" people is totally doable. I worked at a company that couldn't find DBAs in the late 90s for a reasonable salary. They would pluck kids too smart for call center work and put them in database apprenticeships. They deal with support cases, do drudge work fixing data problems cause by one of the applications, investigate chargebacks, etc. 4/6 that worked for me are all high end tech folks now. Another example…

Growing people is doable, but takes time, a lot of time. If you are running a big company and can afford to the spend that time, it's great, but for small companies it's a recipe for disaster.

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by collyw »

wai1234 wrote: post #35

There is no shortage of developers. There is a shortage of perfect developers that meet every preconceived notion of lazy companies that don't believe they have any responsibility to develop and grow people. There will always be a shortage of top performers in any field. If only top performers are acceptable to you, you will have a very tough time growing. I have to laugh when I see these posts where people have 'dis…

There is a shortage of cheap developers. In a Taxi in Dublin a year back and the taxi drive explained his friend couldn't find the staff. "Well he could, but they wanted too much money".

Re: Hire Literally Anyone

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Post by jsnell »

s3nnyy wrote: post #65

I am a tech-recruiter and I work for different companies in Switzerland. I could place a guy who went from 5+ years in accounting into a coding career after he went to a 3 month Ruby bootcamp in Canada. It seems that coding bootcamps are less prevalent in Europe compared to North America. The company that hired him worked on a product that was accounting related, hence it was a perfect match. Disclaimer: If you look…

That's not a disclaimer, that's an ad. And you've posted that same link what, 10 times in the last month?
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