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Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by StevePerkins »

bitwize wrote: post #50
JoshTriplett wrote: post #37

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> Hardware wireless-off switch I have to wonder, why? The OS can do that quite well in software. > Latching lid More moving parts means more potential breakage. > They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thickness. Different customers have different preferences, but the m…

Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. If something can be turned on or off, I don't want to rely on the OS to do it. Give me a hard switch. This even goes for system power.

> flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill.

If you have to drop to a console prompt and run rfkill in order to disable your wifi... then the flight attendant will have no idea whether your wifi is enabled or not.

He or she WON'T gawk with impressed amazement that you're a Linux user. For that matter, neither will anyone here.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by cesarb »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #51
bitwize wrote: post #50

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Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. If something can be turned on or off, I don't want to rely on the OS to do it. Give me a hard switch. This even goes for system power.

> Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off". It's good that command-line syntax exists , but that doesn't make it the only way, or necessarily the simplest way. For that matter, some laptop models offer a function key to do the same thing.

> I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off".

For that, the laptop must be on and booted. The main advantage of the hardware rfkill switch is that you can flick it to disabled before booting or waking up the laptop, so that it doesn't even try to connect before you can get to the wireless icon.

(I've done that before: on a plane, want to use the laptop, which is sleeping in the bag; just flick the rfkill switch and open the lid to resume from suspend.)

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by ansible »

Already__Taken wrote: post #48
leaveyou wrote: post #18

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I really don't understand what is their logic when they place a full Print Screen key (which I use 10 times a year at most) right between the Alt and Ctrl but the arrow keys are smaller and crowded and Home and End (which I use every time I edit something) are not even on the keyboard (or maybe there is some unhandy Fn+ shortcut?). WTF ? I got used to Sony Vaio which has full arrow keys and a smaller shift and an add…

F12 home end insert del, right there on the top row. I'd much rather them be function keys on the left/home right/end arrow keys. Someone really needs to figure out a sleek backlit fixed size keyboard area for everyone to have their own keyboard custom printed. I wouldn't even want an insert key. Crap-sized enter is a deal breaker too.

I use the Insert key a lot. Shift-Insert and Ctrl-Insert for cut and paste work well with Cygwin. They also work for some programs like Orcad for entry boxes where Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V don't.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by irremediable »

frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

What do people use in place of the ThinkPad now? Are there any especially good and rugged current laptop models?

I'm not looking to buy, but I had to advise relatives lately, and it made me realise that I don't know what the ThinkPad's successor is.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by sandGorgon »

babby wrote: post #16
darklajid wrote: post #5

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Thank you for that link. Now to convince management that a 3yo lowish T520 with a ~half-dead~ battery and constant thermal problems isn't exactly the best gear for your developers.. But at least I got time until February, until the T460p ships :)

Honestly I'd rather a t520 over this new Dell i7 e7450 latitude they have our developers using. The keyboard has... Fn key Home and End keys! Maximum cringe.

You can invert that in the bios.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by nickik »

irremediable wrote: post #64
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

What do people use in place of the ThinkPad now? Are there any especially good and rugged current laptop models? I'm not looking to buy, but I had to advise relatives lately, and it made me realise that I don't know what the ThinkPad's successor is.

The ThinkPads are still the best. Just not as good as they used to be.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by bitwize »

totalrobe wrote: post #55
bitwize wrote: post #52

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Nothing will come of it. The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks. Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

Thinkpad still has a pretty hardcore following among linux users..

Linux users are statistical noise in the user base. If they're the only ones seriously interested, Lenovo management will look at the numbers and decide it's just not worth it.

Hey, maybe someone can Kickstart a 3D-printed retro ThinkPad case for modern laptop system boards.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by JoshTriplett »

cesarb wrote: post #62
JoshTriplett wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off". It's good that command-line syntax exists , but that doesn't make it the only way, or necessarily the simplest way. For that matter, some laptop models offer a function key to do the same thing.

> I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off". For that, the laptop must be on and booted. The main advantage of the hardware rfkill switch is that you can flick it to disabled before booting or waking up the laptop, so that it doesn't even try to connect before you can get to the wireless icon. (I've done that before: on a plane, want to use the laptop, which is sleeping in the bag; just flick the rfkill switc…

> For that, the laptop must be on and booted. The main advantage of the hardware rfkill switch is that you can flick it to disabled before booting or waking up the laptop, so that it doesn't even try to connect before you can get to the wireless icon.

Fair point. However, planes don't require turning off wifi or bluetooth during normal flight anymore. (And even when they did, no actual harm was done either way.)

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by pjc50 »

frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

If they did, would you buy it, forgiving them for the Superfish debacle?

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

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Post by [deleted] »

bitwize wrote: post #56
JoshTriplett wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because when the stewardess says "Please put your devices into airplane mode", flicking a switch is much easier than remembering the syntax for rfkill. I click on the wireless icon and click "turn off". It's good that command-line syntax exists , but that doesn't make it the only way, or necessarily the simplest way. For that matter, some laptop models offer a function key to do the same thing.

Tell you what, let's make the machine a plain black slab and let software handle everything, including having a software keyboard. Oh wait, they're doing that already. And the usability sucks. I'm running i3, not GNOME. I want a damn hardware switch when I need to flick wireless off. I don't want to have to keyboard OR mouse around to do it. You want a plain black slab, go buy one. There's a market for what we want,…

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