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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

Path planning shouldn't require a ton of lines of code, really. I've seen in-use path planning and localization in the sub<2K LOC range.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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>At Google, he found very smart developers who were often assigned mundane tasks like fixing bugs in a Web browser; at Facebook, brainy coders toiled away trying to figure out how to make users click on ads. I'm not sure those two are equally horrible though - fixing complex bugs requires using lot of skills and the high you get when you finally nail it is nothing to miss. Getting people to click on ads though - that…

Ok cool, you find one of them enjoyable. He (subject of the article) finds them both terrible.

Yes, anyone can find anything enjoyable or terrible - but the point I was trying to make was that most hackers enjoy bug fixing by nature and Geohot seems to be exceptional that he despises bug fixing as mundane.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the first comment on HN minimizing this truly impressive project? Of course it's not perfect, he's ONE person.

Because this article reinforces our bizarre cultural notion that one person deserves all the credit for some innovation. Nevermind the ridiculous amount of engineering that was required to build all the tools he's using and the order of magnitude more engineering required to make this a safe, mass producible product. But nah, let's just praise the founder, allow him to get rich while we all do the dirty work.

1. Make a working prototype

2. Impress investors

3. Hire others to finish the job

4. Profit

Tesla customers invest in Musk. Musk invests in Hotz. Hots invests in developers. Developers in researchers. We're all delegating until we find someone who can finish the job. We're investing in people to hire the right people.

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> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

Can you point to one such job where someone lost his/her job to "AI"?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the first comment on HN minimizing this truly impressive project? Of course it's not perfect, he's ONE person.

Because this article reinforces our bizarre cultural notion that one person deserves all the credit for some innovation. Nevermind the ridiculous amount of engineering that was required to build all the tools he's using and the order of magnitude more engineering required to make this a safe, mass producible product. But nah, let's just praise the founder, allow him to get rich while we all do the dirty work.

This comment is depressingly cynical. This is probably the single best definition of "hacking", as the community often refers to it, that I've seen in a very long time. One guy starts working on something only the biggest companies in the world dare attempt, throws together a minimal prototype built on top of existing technology. Just look at the picture of it.

Claims of commercial viability or beating Tesla are a bit ridiculous, but this is pretty damn amazing.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

Completely agree. There's absolutely no way you could use this approach for level 4 autonomy. Level 3, fine, but not level 4.

In the video, he says his company is only targeting Level 3.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #4

> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

I cringed. Saying "the math is simple" -- ouch. The writer must have been barely able to suppress his glee when that one popped out.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

How on earth is this a peaceful thought?
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