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John Searle: Consciousness in Artificial Intelligence [video]

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Re: John Searle: Consciousness in Artificial Intelligence [video]

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Searle makes two assertions: 1) Syntax without semantics is not understanding. 2) Simulation is not duplication. Claim 1 is a criticism of old-style Symbolic AI that was in fashion when he first formulated his argument. This is obviously right, but we're already moving past this. For example, word2vec or the recent progress in generating image descriptions with neural nets. The semantic associations are not nearly as…

I wouldn't be so critical of GOFAI. Much high-level reasoning either does or can involve symbol manipulation. There are some impressive systems, such as Cyc, which do precisely that. It isn't useful for low-level tasks like vision or walking, so other approaches are needed to complement it.

> but we're past the point of just manipulating empty symbols.

We've now reached the point where we can manipulate large matrices containing floating point numbers. I don't see how this makes systems any more conscious.

Re: John Searle: Consciousness in Artificial Intelligence [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always felt that the human in the room would start to recognize patterns and develop an "understanding". Their "understanding" may have no basis in reality but I don't see that it is any less valid to them. If Searle is right then we should be able to perform a MRI on a blind person while they are talking to someone and spot the point where their brain switches into "symbol manipulation mode" when the conversa…

The guy in the room can memorize all of the rules and the ledgers and give you the same responses the room did, and if you asked him in his native language if he knew Chinese, he'd honestly tell you no. He could have an entire conversation with you in Chinese, and only know that what you said merits the response he gave. He doesn't if he's telling you directions to the bathroom, or how to perform brain surgery.

What about Latin? I learned Latin in a somewhat sterile environment, that in many ways is akin to symbol manipulation. I certainly never conversed with any native Latin speakers. Do I not understand Latin? Why or why not?
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