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Looks sharp, definitely a lot of great work on design. I just can't seem to see the value in it; what actionable or information do you get out of this? I've tracked my movements with OpenPaths [1] in the past and had fun building a couple data visualizations out of it (I love the fact that others can request access to anonymized data collected by OpenPaths). I just have no anecdotal or empirical evidence of users put…

One of my university professors always said: "No metrics, no movement." The opportunity to add value is by intersecting the metrics. As a software engineer who likes to work in cafes, I'd like to know at which cafe I have the highest commit frequency. As a coffee drinker, I'd like to know at which cafe my resting heart rate is the highest (strongest cup!)

The point being, you have to actually do some movement to reap the benefits of metrics. The current trend among people both in fitness and in ad analytics is to have pretty graphs (with details often abstracted; because smoothing things up and removing scales makes a graph prettier) that give little more than pleasure and sense of being in control. People often don't know what they mean, besides "higher is good, lower is bad". We can do better than that. Charts and dashboards are means to an end.

And I say that as a person who absolutely loves pretty graphs. AprilZero's design is exactly what I dreamed of building for my own tracking. But again, it's not the data that matters, it's what you conclude from it.

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Looks sharp, definitely a lot of great work on design. I just can't seem to see the value in it; what actionable or information do you get out of this? I've tracked my movements with OpenPaths [1] in the past and had fun building a couple data visualizations out of it (I love the fact that others can request access to anonymized data collected by OpenPaths). I just have no anecdotal or empirical evidence of users put…

Why does it need to be actionable? Are metrics and stats in games actionable? No, but they are interesting nevertheless.

> Why does it need to be actionable?

Because that's kind of the point of collecting them. I mean yes, making cool-looking stuff can also be the goal, but one should be explicit about the fact that those are two different goals. Currently, the Quantified Self / fitness toys (aka. wearables) talks a lot about actionable data, while really providing just nice looking toys, often dumbed down to make data not actionable.

I think most people figure it out after spending some time fascinated with pretty charts. At some point you finally realize that all you have are pretty pictures, and you're not really optimizing anything by just looking at them. After this realization, one is finally ready to search for significant improvements. And then comes the enlightenment - tools like dashboards and charts are crutches; the less you need them the better, because the ultimate goal is to have smart decisions, not data, and to minimize the separation between your mind and those decisions.

> Are metrics and stats in games actionable? No, but they are interesting nevertheless.

Usually. Games are good example actually. You can clearly identify the two things a game interface contains - visual clutter, and directly actionable information. Fast-paced, competitive games usually reduce the former and focus on the latter.

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Looks sharp, definitely a lot of great work on design. I just can't seem to see the value in it; what actionable or information do you get out of this? I've tracked my movements with OpenPaths [1] in the past and had fun building a couple data visualizations out of it (I love the fact that others can request access to anonymized data collected by OpenPaths). I just have no anecdotal or empirical evidence of users put…

Say 10 people all die on the same day, all showing the same unusual markings/indicators, well maybe if they were using this tool the authrorities could get and correlate the data to discover all of them drank a specific coffee that's new on the market which triggers a reaction only when heart rates are highly elevated within a small time frame afterwards and exposed to lots of sunlight - far fetched I know, but only…

I'm totally ok with that use too, but that's not what's going on here. The GP's point, one that I agree with, is that we need to match data collection with focus on actually using the data for something. There's no practical point of having pretty dashboards with graphs if you're going to just look at it and smile if a line goes up instead of down. We need to follow with ways to get decisions out of data, and pick our visual tools to facilitate this process in the best way possible.

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Looks sharp, definitely a lot of great work on design. I just can't seem to see the value in it; what actionable or information do you get out of this? I've tracked my movements with OpenPaths [1] in the past and had fun building a couple data visualizations out of it (I love the fact that others can request access to anonymized data collected by OpenPaths). I just have no anecdotal or empirical evidence of users put…

I second this. I absolutely love the visuals, this style is pretty much what I dreamed of eventually building for myself if I ever had some spare time. But I'm also concerned with the fact that it's optimized for looks, not for utility, and I want to make a general observation about the current Quantified Self / fitness trends.

What I've noticed about them is that products are optimized to look pretty, not to be useful. Those two things are related, but it matters which you optimize for. Depending on which one you care about, you make different choices about e.g. visualization tools you use. To pick on AprilZero, since it's the topic of this thread, what I see on the site are:

- Charts without scales (or with very impoverished ones) - you can't read too many interesting things from them, whether about time or value of measured parameters. There's data loss.

- Gauge charts, which are cousins of a pie chart, i.e. the thing you use when you care about how nice something looks, as opposed to actually making it useful for learning something from the data.

- The weight chart that seems to be doing exactly the opposite of what it should; splines look pretty, but what you want to aim for is a rolling average, which acts as a low-pass filter, eliminating noise from measurements and revealing your weight trend. See how the line leads the data points? It should be lagging behind them. For an example of what I mean, see [0].

- Just data, lack of any attempt to infer a course of action based on it.

Again, the visual are absolutely stunning and I applaud the work. But now that we've figured out how to make data pretty, we need to focus on how to make it useful. For that, we need to start doing the hard work - understanding what choices we do have and how the data can tell us which decisions to make.

For instance, I could track my weight and things I eat, and draw pretty lines of macronutrients over time, etc. but what I really want to have is something that'll dynamically rebalance my diet to keep them at optimal levels. I want the software to tell me to eat X or Y for breakfast. And if I feel like eating something entirely different, to have it readjust on the fly. I ate too much fat today, so the suggestions for tomorrow will have less fat. An iterated version of this program could plan stuff in advance and generate me a shopping list, etc. You can probably imagine more possible improvements.

But note how in the example above, it turned out that I need exactly zero charts. The input I provide is measurements, but the output I care about is right decisions. Sure, I may like (or need, for something else) to look at the measurement data presented in a nice, visual form. Until my imaginary software is good enough, I might actually need to. But you can see how the focus shifts from just having a line chart to having a representation that will be useful to make decisions.

TL;DR: charts and dashboards are means to an end, not end in itself.

[0] - http://imgur.com/YcXK5af - it's a screenshot of a graph I made for myself when I went on diet a few years back; the blue line connects the actual samples, the green one is a rolling average with 7-sample window. Note how the green line lags behind the blue and how it filters out noise. Incidentally, this is exactly why the common advice given to people is to weigh yourself once a week, and not daily - because it's simpler to tell them that than to teach them about rolling averages and low-pass filters.

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I was just thinking about the UI on a lot of shows/movies and how rarely we see any UI like it in the real world. Even those 'FBI databases mainframes...' that a character hacked into do not look anything like that in real life. This is pretty cool and fits in well in 'Hollywood'. Now I want to find a project that I can actually use a similar UI on haha.

I love the 'Hollywood' look as well, and a recent hobby of mine has been to recreate some of my favorite ones for the web. It has been a great learning experience. Tron Legacy: http://www.robscanlon.com/encom-boardroom/ Guardians of the Galaxy: http://www.robscanlon.com/about/ Wargames: http://www.robscanlon.com/github-wargames/ It's interesting how certain techniques seem to come up over and over again... like they…

That's... just stunning. I'm bookmarking your site. Please continue this great work!

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I love the 'Hollywood' look as well, and a recent hobby of mine has been to recreate some of my favorite ones for the web. It has been a great learning experience. Tron Legacy: http://www.robscanlon.com/encom-boardroom/ Guardians of the Galaxy: http://www.robscanlon.com/about/ Wargames: http://www.robscanlon.com/github-wargames/ It's interesting how certain techniques seem to come up over and over again... like they…

That's... just stunning. I'm bookmarking your site. Please continue this great work!

Thanks, that's very kind of you to say that. I really appreciate it.

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For me, it has served a similar purpose to the dashboard in a car or plane. This latest design also slightly reflects that visually. When you're driving a car, you're not staring at the speedometer, or constantly checking the gas meter, but they're still useful tools. Especially when things start to go wrong. If you're almost out of gas or in the redline, then it becomes much more useful. The other thing to note is t…

The best interface is no interface. Don't get me wrong, I find the work you do stunning and well thought through. But I fail to see any actionable value in it. I could see down the line how measuring continuously vital signs and blood work could help us detect or prevent illnesses or risky behaviors, but the complexity of its analysis will demand something a lot more intuitive than a dashboard. As of now though, thes…

I don't quite understand why you're being so dismissive of this. By this logic, a scale doesn't have much actionable value because its just telling you your weight, its not getting you to lose any. Of course all the 'real hard work' still needs to get done, but a dashboard like this gives you a tool to visualize state and progress to help direct your 'real hard work' effectively. Personally, I think there's a lot of value in that.

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For me, it has served a similar purpose to the dashboard in a car or plane. This latest design also slightly reflects that visually. When you're driving a car, you're not staring at the speedometer, or constantly checking the gas meter, but they're still useful tools. Especially when things start to go wrong. If you're almost out of gas or in the redline, then it becomes much more useful. The other thing to note is t…

The best interface is no interface. Don't get me wrong, I find the work you do stunning and well thought through. But I fail to see any actionable value in it. I could see down the line how measuring continuously vital signs and blood work could help us detect or prevent illnesses or risky behaviors, but the complexity of its analysis will demand something a lot more intuitive than a dashboard. As of now though, thes…

I agree that this isn't terribly useful as-is, but I think it's part of a grander vision. It's a step towards the actionable product, following the trend of other analytic tools:

1.) Show the data - This is all about selling people on collecting data and using the tool. Example: this product, or any other plain dashboard.

2.) Push actionable data - This is about training people to delegate decisions to the tool. Example: Reminding you to sleep earlier if you chronically undersleep, suggesting an evening jog to wind down from too-much-caffeine.

3.) Act on the data - Customers completely delegate the problem space to your product. Example: Placing Prime orders for food based on your fitness goals, proactively buying melatonin if you take too long to fall asleep, etc.

I don't know what the owner's vision is, but right now it's a very "Dribbble-pretty" product... from the experience and utility perspective, it's still a classic dashboard.

There's nothing wrong with that though! I really like the tool and hope to see it when it hits the more advanced features. But for now... Kibana is my persona-data dashboard.

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