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Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by DasIch »

chrisseaton wrote: post #29
kuschku wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds very illegal. Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. I wonder how they suggest to handle that.

> Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. EU working time directive? You can just opt out of that, and it doesn't apply anyway to lots of jobs like doctors, military etc, so it certainly isn't simply 'highly illegal'.

In any country with reasonable regulation it's going to be especially illegal, if you're a doctor and certainly not something you can opt out of.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by estefan »

netcan wrote: post #50
scalesolved wrote: post #46

I think a lot of these job postings would have a lot more success if they showed salary ranges, in fact that just applies to all job postings. Why apply for EU remote working (if living in the EU) when you can remote work for a US based company? The timezone is off but programmers should be able to work autonomously and independently.

Not posting salaries always baffles me. I mean, I understand the negotiating advantage. Maybe also wanting to keep salary information quite within the company. But, surely, this is a relevant piece of information for the person deciding to apply. I'm surprised jobs sites don't enforce it. Only jobs with salary information are allowed.

I'm sure it must just lead to rubbish applicants. I'd be amazed if anyone with any options would waste their time hunting for salaries when they can deal with companies who at least give them an indicative range. I have literally never applied for a job that didn't have a salary listed, and don't intend to.

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Post by [deleted] »

DominikR wrote: post #38
charlesdm wrote: post #32

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And right you are. Once you account for all the taxes and expenses that you have to pay yourself, you lose a significant amount of money each month. Most people just read the 20k number, and think, "he's making 20k a month!!!1111".

Yes, I pay a 50% tax here. Additionally one has to consider that you might have some down time between two projects where you don't have any income. But still I'd encourage anyone interested to try. You'll not just improve your tech skill set, but if you make it work you'll also learn how to sell and to negotiate, which is a generally helpful skill to have in all areas of life.

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Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by foxpc »

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

Do you live in EU and think that you won't qualify?

Or are you living in India and complaining that you won't qualify to work in companies that are expecting people from EU to contact them?

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by chrisseaton »

DasIch wrote: post #61
chrisseaton wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. EU working time directive? You can just opt out of that, and it doesn't apply anyway to lots of jobs like doctors, military etc, so it certainly isn't simply 'highly illegal'.

In any country with reasonable regulation it's going to be especially illegal, if you're a doctor and certainly not something you can opt out of.

In terms of doctor's working hours 'only 6 of the 27 European member states meet the prescribed standard' (of maximum 8 hours a day) [1].

So either they're opting out of it, the law doesn't apply to them, or they're working illegally. That or you're going to say that most of the countries in the EU don't have 'reasonable regulation'.

[1] http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6920/14/S1/S8

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by kuschku »

chrisseaton wrote: post #29
kuschku wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds very illegal. Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. I wonder how they suggest to handle that.

> Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. EU working time directive? You can just opt out of that, and it doesn't apply anyway to lots of jobs like doctors, military etc, so it certainly isn't simply 'highly illegal'.

At least in Germany, there is no legal opt-out. Only in emergencies, and even then only 10h a day.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by codegeek »

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

"become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising)"

That is not very nice of you. Sure everyone wants the best options for their careers no matter where they are, but don't say these things loosely.

I live in America and to be honest, it is still one of the most immigrant friendly countries in the world. Yes they have difficult and archaic immigration rules which need to be improved.

If you are truly good, then companies from the US will hire you remotely. I know that it is possible even though a bit more difficult. A lot of tech companies have opened local offices in India and they pay really well.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by eterm »

chrisseaton wrote: post #29
kuschku wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds very illegal. Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. I wonder how they suggest to handle that.

> Working more than 8h overall a day, no matter in how many jobs, is highly illegal. EU working time directive? You can just opt out of that, and it doesn't apply anyway to lots of jobs like doctors, military etc, so it certainly isn't simply 'highly illegal'.

I believe only the UK has an opt-out to the WTD.

Personally I refuse to ever opt-out, I have crossed out opt-out clauses in employment contracts, even when I don't think the company was serious about requiring overtime.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

#69

Post by netcan »

estefan wrote: post #62
netcan wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not posting salaries always baffles me. I mean, I understand the negotiating advantage. Maybe also wanting to keep salary information quite within the company. But, surely, this is a relevant piece of information for the person deciding to apply. I'm surprised jobs sites don't enforce it. Only jobs with salary information are allowed.

I'm sure it must just lead to rubbish applicants. I'd be amazed if anyone with any options would waste their time hunting for salaries when they can deal with companies who at least give them an indicative range. I have literally never applied for a job that didn't have a salary listed, and don't intend to.

Well, first of all, the relative number of times different people apply for jobs in a lifetime throws any kind of average/median out whack^. Some people never apply for any job off a posting. Some apply for hundreds. The former group tends to have more desirable employees.

Anyway… If you look at general job postings on most boards, a large chunk (sometimes majority) don't even have the job in the job posting, nevermind a salary. These are resume gathering exercises by recruiters. "My client is a fortune 5000 company seeking…" People still apply to these.

^ http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FindingGreatDeveloper...

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by k__ »

DominikR wrote: post #51
ccozan wrote: post #39

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No is not ridiculous at all: having your name on a door means that you are "forced" to work there, thus rendering you in a employee since you cannot determine for yourself the place and location of work, the cornerstones of beeing a freelancer. I do consulting for a big technology company in Munich and they have special freelancer areas where you can have any place you want, since there is no concept of "office" for…

I heard this has to do with the fact that once social services prove that you are not actually self employed the employer would have to pay back a significant amount to social services AND a fine on top of that. I understand that these laws should prevent abuse of employees by big corporations, but it's hilarious that they go after self employed consultants that make several 100k Euros per year and already pay the ma…

In Germany you need to make about 60000€ a year to get private health insurance (better service, lower price) OR you have to be self-employed, where it doesn't matter how much you make. (500€ private, 750€ public)

Yes, this doesn't matter for an engineer who makes about 100000€ a year. :)

But!

If you're an employee, you have to pay into a government-controlled retirement fund, if you're self-employed you don't.

If you make about 100k, you (and your employer) would have to pay more than 10k a year.

So, no, if you're self-employed and make good money, you don't necessarily have to pay "the maximum amount of social security" :)

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