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Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuckerberg’s are really bad

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The trade is this: if you made $100 and your marginal tax rate is 20%, you can either (a) let the government spend $20 however it sees fit and you spend $80 however you see fit (which may be an $80 bottle of wine); or (b) you spend $100 on any charitable cause you see fit (which must meet certain requirements).

That doesn't seem like a bad trade to me, especially since rich people have fairly low marginal tax rates.

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This guy takes it as a given that the Government is well-run and wise. But what's the practical alternative for someone who instead thinks that the current political environment is toxic and insane?

You take it as a given that the private sector is well-run and wise. Nobody is saying either solution is great. All it's saying is that: wouldn't it be better to have all this power be in the hands of the democratically chosen, versus billionaires who may or may not be making relevant investments? edit: Just downvotes, no response?

It isn't necessary to believe that the private sector is well run and wise for that statement to be relevant. All that is necessary is for the private sector to be better run and wiser than the government. In the US, that isn't hard to fathom, although I could probably accept the premise if we all lived in Germany.

Re: Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuckerberg’s are really bad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He said that having a few very wealthy people decide what were the most important causes was bad compared to having the democratically elected government decide. This sentence is really amusing to me, because our democratically elected government, at least at the congressional level, is nearly all wealthy millionaires. So either way, important causes are decided by the wealthy.

Congressmen are mostly rich people rented by richer ones, but a small amount of plebian influence is surely better than none at all if you're into that whole "democracy" thing.

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There is no real explanation for why the pledge is "bad" except for the tired argument that the state is good and private foundations imitating the state are bad . There is no further clarification or explanation; We are supposed to accept this as some sort of given, without pretext or afterthought. Articles like this are bad .

There is no real explanation for why the article is "bad" except for the tired argument that private foundations imitating the state are good and the state is bad. There is no further clarification or explanation; We are supposed to accept this as some sort of given, without pretext or afterthought.

Comments like this are bad.

Re: Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuckerberg’s are really bad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the article said at all - nor the German billionaire. He said that having a few very wealthy people decide what were the most important causes was bad compared to having the democratically elected government decide. You may disagree with that, but it is quite different from simply saying public good and private bad.

> He said that having a few very wealthy people decide what were the most important causes was bad compared to having the democratically elected government decide. This sentence is really amusing to me, because our democratically elected government, at least at the congressional level, is nearly all wealthy millionaires. So either way, important causes are decided by the wealthy.

That depends on where you are – this German billionaire, obviously, is German. It’s not nearly as bad over here yet.

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50 billion dollars is about 1/2 the budget of the State of California for a year. It's really not that much in terms of government expenditures. However, If used creatively, it could have a huge impact on the world, but that takes vision. Money without creativity and vision does nothing except raise the price of everything.

Re: Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuckerberg’s are really bad

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There is no real explanation for why the pledge is "bad" except for the tired argument that the state is good and private foundations imitating the state are bad . There is no further clarification or explanation; We are supposed to accept this as some sort of given, without pretext or afterthought. Articles like this are bad .

Articles that lead with a headline "Why", instead of just stating their thesis, are clickbait garbage.

Re: Why a German billionaire says that pledges like Mark Zuckerberg’s are really bad

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One of the arguments here in Germany is that if these billionaires were actually paying taxes, the country would have more money and there would be less to pledge. Generally the thinking is that public sector should run many basic services and should provide/organize enough welfare to those in need.

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Krämer: So it's not the state that determines what is good for the people, but rather the rich want to decide. That's a development that I find really bad. What legitimacy do these people have to decide where massive sums of money will flow? SPIEGEL: It is their money at the end of the day. Krämer: In this case, 40 superwealthy people want to decide what their money will be used for. That runs counter to the democrat…

You make it sound like Zuckerberg's donation in Newark happened in a vacuum. It happened in tight collaboration with the school system, who stated needs and approved every step of the process. It's not like Zuckerberg stepped in and said "you shall obey!!!" Course in this case it just turned out that not only could the democratically elected government of Newark magically waste all their tax revenue, they were excellent at wasting donated money.

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> I find the US initiative highly problematic. You can write donations off in your taxes to a large degree in the USA. So the rich make a choice: Would I rather donate or pay taxes? The donors are taking the place of the state. That's unacceptable. Or flip that around - is Krämer's implied solution not a case of the state taking the place of the individual? Put another way, if you founded a company, created thousands…

501c4s, aka SuperPACs are nonprofit "charitable" organizations. It's not like the government confiscates 100% of wealthy people's money as soon as they try to do good, it just taxes it like it does for mere mortals, whenever it changes hands. Using a legal construct to avoid personal tax liability, is quite literally depriving the government of funds it would otherwise be entitled to. I think both sides of this debat…

"Contribu­tions to civic leagues or other section 501(c)(4) organizations generally are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes"

https://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profit...

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