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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

adsche wrote: post #23
ps4fanboy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europes involvement

And in your imagination, who is resppnsible with what motive and why is that not baseless speculation?

I believe that what ps4fanboy meant is "Europe's involvement in those wars that the refugees are fleeing". That is, Europe has had some involvement in Libya, Syria, and Iraq.

Do any of the refugees blame Europe for their [Europe's] involvement? Probably some do, yes.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jacquesm »

cballard wrote: post #57
rodrigocoelho wrote: post #38

Reuters just reported: "French President Hollande decides state of emergency for all of France, borders closed." Source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twi...

How, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...

That's fairly easy. Airports are closed right now, the old border posts, even though they have been un-manned for quite a while (but not everywhere, as I found out to my surprise a few months ago, a so called 'spot check' was set up on one of the old border posts) can be easily re-established using military personel.

It's a lot easier to re-establish something that was there before than it is to do it from scratch and this is more of a logistical problem (and a personel one) than one of technicalities about whether or not such a thing can be done. It's not like France didn't have a functioning border patrol a couple of years ago.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by baddox »

cballard wrote: post #57
rodrigocoelho wrote: post #38

Reuters just reported: "French President Hollande decides state of emergency for all of France, borders closed." Source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twi...

How, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...

With the military, from what I'm gathering.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by [deleted] »

cballard wrote: post #57
rodrigocoelho wrote: post #38

Reuters just reported: "French President Hollande decides state of emergency for all of France, borders closed." Source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twi...

How, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by wavefunction »

kobayashi wrote: post #13
Gatsky wrote: post #9

A disaster. Obviously don't know yet who is responsible, but I don't understand why France is being targeted in this way. They are hardly terrorist enemy number one.

Softer target. This is my area of study.

Why don't you expound then if you're an expert?

Certainly they're closer and easier to get to from the Middle East than other parts of the world and contain a larger Arab population making it easier to hide within and recruit from.

But I would imagine French intelligence is deep within that same population and I remember members of the military on patrol in the streets of Paris.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by switch007 »

hyperbovine wrote: post #28
benevol wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to ask the question what kind of life we want for those who do live.

In the coming days or weeks, sure. Now?

Yes, because absolutely, without doubt, governments are also thinking how to exploit this situation.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by 102030485868 »

raverbashing wrote: post #33
wslh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What this means is that France surveillance and intelligence already failed.

I agree but several attacks were foiled as well this year Edit for source: http://www.dw.com/en/france-arrests-islamic-state-supporter-...

Such as?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by zipwitch »

tomashertus wrote: post #18
benevol wrote: post #7

Next thing you know, a new and even more totally total mass surveillance law is passed. (Obviously, attacks will continue to happen from time to time.)

How awesome, awesome comment. People are dying and the only thing you care about is "totally total mass surveillance law"....

People are ALWAYS dying. Far more from preventable accidents, disease, and war than from terrorism. That does NOT make terrorism any less despicable. But those who use fear of atrocities to push their own oppressive agendas are little better than terrorists themselves. It's a sad truth that there's no question that many surveillance advocates will use an event like this to push their own agendas.
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