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Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Post by rblatz »

AJ007 wrote: post #17
lhnz wrote: post #7

I wonder how many years it will be before a real AI can compete with Facebook's AI? I guess by the time that's possible Facebook's pretend AI will already have cornered the market. The public will only be able to see that you were the late entrant and that while your AI is faster it's occasionally incorrect in peculiar ways... This seems like a fairly solid plan by Facebook to crown themselves the winners of a race t…

Pretending you have a working technology when you don't has been a recent theme in the startup world.

It's just an extension of "do things that don't scale."

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Post by 7Z7 »

berdario wrote: post #58
ben_utzer wrote: post #40

Is it me or all the photos are blurred? I can't read them

It's not just you. It's basically unreadable on Firefox on Android (and what's worse... the page prevent arbitrary zooming, unless you "request the Desktop page"). It's depressing how a supposedly well-designed platform like Medium still falls short of providing an usable mobile interface.

Can confirm, it's perfectly readable on Safari on iPhone.

Also zoomable.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Post by ikeboy »

icebraining wrote: post #12
BukhariH wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The opinion is split as to whether or not it’s a real AI, and there seems to be no way of proving its nature on way or the other." Clearly, the author didn't even do the most basic fact checking. Since, Facebook clearly told everyone that M was going to be AI that was assisted by humans. It's literally in the announcement post: https://www.facebook.com/Davemarcus/posts/10156070660595195 > "It's powered by artifici…

But that's exactly the point: is it AI trained by people, or people aided by AI tools? It's not the same.

See http://www.wired.com/2015/08/how-facebook-m-works/

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Post by kriro »

So basically the suspicion is that M is a concierge MVP? From reading the chat excerpt I'd agree.

Edit: It would be interesting to devise a way in which you can make two Ms talk to each other (or have M talk to Siri etc.). Maybe "can you pretend to be a customer for my XYZ business"

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Post by jhpriestley »

graeham wrote: post #11

"I'm AI but humans help train me" The implication to me is that the chat is with a human, who is using an AI tool with the intention of training that tool. What better way to train a new service than to launch it, then answer all the weird, unexpected questions with humans? Gradually more of the questions get answered, the AI gets better trained, and the human-AI becomes increasing more AI. Further, as the AI gets be…

AIs are already trained on huge corpuses of natural human communication, but they still aren't able to reliably analyze human language. Adding a few more gigabytes of chat logs isn't going to do much.

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Post by VLM »

rvac wrote: post #44

It's a human using Siri to answer your questions.

Based on punctuation analysis, word choice, tone, its not just any human but a mid 20s white female. Probably front ending google.

Real comedy would be going to mturk to try and find the task to communicate try to crack it recursively "M find me the mechanical turk task for this request".

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Post by dvh »

avinassh wrote: post #18
dvh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tested your question on my chatbot: Q: Tihs is uslulay how I tset wehther i'm tlaknig to an ai or not A: I am AI

link to your chat bot? and link to code, if its open source?

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ghost-chat-bot/ikm...

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Post by espadrine »

jwalton wrote: post #60

Bad typing is definitely not enough to measure if an AI is really a human. As a teenager, I wrote a chatbot for an online text based game. I have it knowledge of a QWERTY keyboard layout, and when "typing" it had a small random chance of pressing the key next to the key it wanted to press. It would also sometimes transpose characters. Sloppy typing can be simulated. Might be an interesting test to do a statistical an…

Simulating bad typing is only necessary to fake a human. Here, having bad typing when faking an AI is stranger.

That said, AIs trained through the chat transcripts of a large number of conversations may produce mistakes. I remember reading a paper that gave good results that way, with the side-effect that it produces typing mistakes as a result. I cannot find that paper again, unfortunately.

Edit: found it! http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.05869v1.pdf

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Post by TorKlingberg »

lhnz wrote: post #7

I wonder how many years it will be before a real AI can compete with Facebook's AI? I guess by the time that's possible Facebook's pretend AI will already have cornered the market. The public will only be able to see that you were the late entrant and that while your AI is faster it's occasionally incorrect in peculiar ways... This seems like a fairly solid plan by Facebook to crown themselves the winners of a race t…

> I guess by the time that's possible Facebook's pretend AI will already have cornered the market.

And cost Facebook a lot of money. Are they planning to pay for personal assistants for everyone?

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