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The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

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Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#61
I've done various commutes in my working life. Nothing beats being able to walk to work:

1) It's not too far,

2) It's exercise - what's not to like?

3) It's always, ALWAYS, the same length of time. Which allows you to plan.

4) It's not too far.

My least favourite commute is on the British motorways, one day it could take the minimum amount of time, the next it could be 4 times longer. This amount of variation adds to working stress levels. It's really difficult to plan to get something 'out of the way' in the morning when you don't even know if you'll be there in time.

(btw, I walked to work this morning.)

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#62
post #22

I would argue that it would be better for the kids to live abroad. They'd become bilingual for free, and most importantly it'd give them perspective and a better understanding of the world. Unless his kids are planning to become professional American football or lacrosse players, his justification seems very weak to me.

The guy was born in Brazil, lived there till five, moved to the US, then lived in Brazil for two years as a missionary, and is now doing business there. He probably has a pretty good idea of how beneficial living in Brazil would be for his family.

He's also very wealthy and can afford to give all his kids personal language tutors if he/they want to learn another language. The value of knowing Portuguese in the US is generally not that high (although obviously he's an outlier). They can travel internationally whenever they want. If they moved there, they wouldn't be living or going to school with your average Brazilian, they'd be living in a wealthy neighborhood and going to an English-language international school. They live in one of the wealthiest places in the US, so they probably attend very good schools right now.

Since they're Mormon, many of these kids will end up being missionaries in foreign countries and learning another language anyway and getting a decent perspective on the world outside Connecticut since their living environment as a missionary will be roughly equivalent to the average person wherever they're assigned.

Don't underestimate the importance of high school sports to kids that love them and are in high school. I'd rather my kids have four years of positive team sporting experience than learn Portuguese. One can learn and grow from sports in many ways even if they don't become a professional athlete.

As for what will best help their career, it's probably the stable familiar living environment they currently have at a private school that will best prepare them to get into a good college and do well there. Being good at sports doesn't hurt either for getting into good colleges.

Finally, he can easily sleep in first class for the two direct flights he takes per week and he can spend (potentially, we don't know how much he works on the weekends) Thursday (not sure how much of the day), Friday, Saturday, and Sunday with his family. He can also potentially video conference with them every other evening. And they've probably come with him on occasion.

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#63

What an odd sentence in the article: "But a more child-centered approach to parenting also seems to be a factor, as these executives make other major sacrifices in order to balance their professional and home lives." I would argue that not having a parent at home in the evening (because they are commuting) is the opposite of child-centric. Yes, they get a nice suburban home and parks, but what about parental bonding?

The whole term is ridiculous:

> a more child-centered approach to parenting

What other approaches to parenting are there? Cat-oriented?

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#64
post #5

Wait till cars become automatic. 4 hour per day commutes could become quite normal. It could really change the structure of living in cities.

Cars are already "automatic". Automatic in the sense that I hop on the train and 40 minutes later I'm at work. During the trip I either get started with work or read a book and have tea depending on what's going on. Plenty of people do it, I assume it's the main reason trains have free wifi here.

I still wouldn't consider anything over an hour-long commute, simply because it'd be taking way too much time from the rest of my life.

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In more developed countries we have laws that protect workers for such long hours.

And those are clearly working, right?

Laws never stopped big companies or employers that wanted a job done...

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#66

What an odd sentence in the article: "But a more child-centered approach to parenting also seems to be a factor, as these executives make other major sacrifices in order to balance their professional and home lives." I would argue that not having a parent at home in the evening (because they are commuting) is the opposite of child-centric. Yes, they get a nice suburban home and parks, but what about parental bonding?

And they kept saying "I didn't want to uproot my family blah blah." Is there no value in exposing your children to unique and different experiences? I'll have failed if my kids grew up in the same town/city all their lives.

I don't think that moving a thousand miles or so between 8th and 9th grade was that helpful for me. I suspect that for a lot of the people who make such moves, it is a matter of moving from one suburb to another, with fairly nuanced differences in outlook.

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And those are clearly working, right?

Laws never stopped big companies or employers that wanted a job done...

Exactly. Particularly when they're written by and for said companies, or the ones who own them.

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#69

What an odd sentence in the article: "But a more child-centered approach to parenting also seems to be a factor, as these executives make other major sacrifices in order to balance their professional and home lives." I would argue that not having a parent at home in the evening (because they are commuting) is the opposite of child-centric. Yes, they get a nice suburban home and parks, but what about parental bonding?

"The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation." - Karl Marx

In a capitalist world, bonding isn't something you can consume or trade on the market. It therefore has no value, and no importance.

Re: The Rise of the Outrageously Long Commute

#70
post #11

How is this new? This is the sort of thing the wealthy and the C-suite have been doing for decades. The internet makes parts of it a little easier, but it's not novel. The whole conceit of the Concorde was Executives could live in New York and work in London or vice versa.

This is not just a 1% phenomenon. There are plenty of families where one partner commutes 2-3 hours each way on the greyhound bus because they can't find a job in the same town and can't afford to live on a single income.
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