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Re: Twitter Names Jack Dorsey Chief Executive

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Post by davewiner » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:33 PM UTC

catshirt wrote: post #52

criddell wrote: post #25

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Dave Winer mocked up how a fat tweet could look and I think he has it right: http://scripting.com/2015/10/02/whatWouldAFatTweetLookLike.h... Obviously, they've thought of this internally too. I wonder what the point of the 140 character limit is today (I think it made sense originally).

"see more" link? groundbreaking stuff. someone get Twitter on the line! i know Dave deserves respect but if i was even a janitor at Twitter this post would piss me off.

It wasn't written for the janitor at Twitter, rather it was for people outside Twitter who want to think about what might be coming next. Yes, it is obvious. The idea was taken straight out of Facebook. I thought people would benefit from seeing what it would look like in action. As developers it's easy for us to imagine it, but even we need to mock things up to get a look at it, to help think better about it.

Re: Twitter Names Jack Dorsey Chief Executive

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Post by minimaxir » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:33 PM UTC

chippy wrote: post #43

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What a perfect example of why twitter is a terrible platform for communication of all but the simplest thoughts.

I'm sort of unsure of this generally. It's certainly changed. My examples are: The gossip and snark of say Startup L Jackson vs the gossip and snark of a valleywag post. IRC backchannels during conferences versus a Tweet Wall.

Those aren't good counterarguments in favor of Twitter.

Valleywag is dead because of reasons unrelated to the death of media (and I genuinely miss it). IRC backchannels are dead because IRC is dead.

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Post by seiji » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:33 PM UTC

rch wrote: post #47

Who had the most significant role in getting Twitter results prominent placement in Google desktop results? That seems like a mutually beneficial development.

Google used to have twitter results a long time ago. Then Google got a little pissy and decided they wanted to be The Only Social On The Internet and killed Twitter priority indexing (e.g. receiving the firehose). It was probably the most ineffectual attempted flexing of monopoly power in the history of monopoly abuse.

Now that Google realized they can't be good at everything (really, are they good at much besides a few focused things?), they're open to integration and collaboration on their not-so-competitive-advantages again.

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Post by parasubvert » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:35 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #40

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I agree - Twitter is the de facto messaging platform. Taking the idea a bit further, Twitter could be used instead of SQS and other messaging solutions / protocols. That'd be pretty cool. Twitter could be the way the IoT communicate with their AI overlords.

Twitter is the de facto messaging platform. Only in your little corner of the world. I honestly don't know a single person who uses twitter on a day to day basis.

And I know hundreds.

Twitter is so common in tech industry circles - so many announcements , debates, and moments happen there weekly that I would think it's essential if you care about that stuff.

Truth is there is no canonical place to get the pulse of what's going on in the tech world: each of Reddit, HN, Twitter, or various aggregation sites have their filter and regulars. But Twitter seems to have the widest net.

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Post by ojbyrne » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:37 PM UTC

SonicSoul wrote: post #27

bru_ wrote: post #5

People are worried that Jack will be too busy between Twitter and Square, but what they don't know is that the dude's been completely spaced out for the last 4 years, making the same motivational presentation about his Dad's pizza shop to anyone that will listen. Nobody at Twitter talks to Jack anymore, even the most Senior people.

There was a great article a while back [on founding and rise of Twitter and Dorsey's bio] that did not paint him in a good light: "All is fair in love and Twitter" [0] As one former Twitter employee has said, “The greatest product Jack Dorsey ever made was Jack Dorsey.” [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/magazine/all-is-fair-in-lo...

Which is actually an excerpt from a book by the same author: http://smile.amazon.com/Hatching-Twitter-Story-Friendship-Be...

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Post by minimaxir » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:38 PM UTC

softawre wrote: post #56

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why?

Imagine you have to write an algorithm to determine twitter spam. Would it include accountCreatedDate?

The algorithm would probably contain a dummy variable representing isYoungerThanXDays where X is the median number of time it takes to create a new account after it has been banned.

I doubt accounts that are Y days old vs. Z years old have different probabilities of being spammers.

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Post by timboslice » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:42 PM UTC

uptown wrote: post #16

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I honestly wonder how many of twitter's accounts are fake accounts, it seems that spam is a huge problem there.

No idea. But I'd throw $100 their way to buy an account that's been dormant for six years.

Due to vanity reasons (they have "your" handle?) or for some other reason?

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Post by nkohari » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:42 PM UTC

talmand wrote: post #53

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> any competent web developer could make A non-scaling Twitter in an afternoon I wish people would stop claiming how they could clone a social media app in an afternoon / weekend.

What do you mean? I fully believe that a competent developer could sit down and make something like Twitter in a weekend. Especially since the concept and what to do with it is already on display for them to copy. Now, to create a Twitter clone in a weekend when there's no Twitter to go by? Nope.

You could create something that looks like Twitter, but you couldn't create Twitter. Ignoring the network effects and scale that Twitter has is ignoring its primary value.

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Post by galfarragem » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:46 PM UTC

sjclemmy wrote: post #20

fitzwatermellow wrote: post #9

Congrats, @jack Would love to see twtr become a platform for a myriad of third-party apps. Wouldn't it be great to place a market order by messaging @bats "buy $TWTR 10,000 30.00". Or order a limo with @uber "2 people in one hour to jfk airport"?

I agree - Twitter is the de facto messaging platform. Taking the idea a bit further, Twitter could be used instead of SQS and other messaging solutions / protocols. That'd be pretty cool. Twitter could be the way the IoT communicate with their AI overlords.

>Twitter is the de facto messaging platform.

Twitter is the best broadcasting platform. The true challenges are to control spam level and be able to display enough ads to monetise it.

I'm a late adopter of twitter but if you know how to use it is a great tool: follow less than 20 accounts, info is still possible to digest and the number of ads is not enough to annoy you.

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Post by dangrossman » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 2:52 PM UTC

slayed0 wrote: post #48

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No idea. But I'd throw $100 their way to buy an account that's been dormant for six years.

why?

Dormant accounts can hold good handles forever. Like the name of my website: https://twitter.com/improvely