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Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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Re: Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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Islamic Perspective in Rough (need citation): Prophet Adam (Peace be upon Him) created the first House of Worship at Kaaba. During the time of Prophet Nuh (Noah) (Peace be Upon Him), it was in one sense, 'lost'. Then Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) 'the true' and Prophet Ismail (?) (Peace be Upon them) rebuilt the Kabba again. Again and Again, Kabba and Mecca with it, were lost (to what?) Until At last, Prophet Muhammad (P…

To fill in your (?), I believe Ismail would be otherwise known as Ishmael:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael

Re: Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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Amazing city. It's unfortunate the Ajyad Fortress (1) had to be demolished to make way for the tower with the largest clock face in the world (2). I also note every time I visited a devout Muslim's small business or home, and they have a picture of the Grand Mosque, it's free of the new modern additions that will facilitate two million (and growing) pilgrims who visit every year. I suppose the Saudi government didn't…

> for muslims, Islam is the religion for the present, and the future.

Well said.

Re: Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a Muslim is to bow one's will to the Almighty. There is no such thing Wahabi/Hijji/Cultural Muslims. This is cleared in the Quran, that the religion chosen for us is Islam, not Islam Version A or Version B. A Muslim will enter it knowing its importance, and though he may not be perfect in conduct, he would ought to ask for forgiveness. Non-Muslims would naturally move about naturally, and end up doing things th…

>Being a Muslim is to bow one's will to the Almighty. There is no such thing Wahabi/Hijji/Cultural Muslims. This is cleared in the Quran, that the religion chosen for us is Islam, not Islam Version A or Version B. Again, that's a black and white view of things, and violates the live and let live golden rule. Not just now, right after the death of the prophet Islam began to diverge. The Quran, itself was assembled int…

Abdus Salam, winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics, founder of Pakistan's space program, promoter of the peaceful use of nuclear power in Pakistan, advocate of scientific research by and for the developing nations.

Abdus Salam, devout Muslim, who quoted from the Quran in his Nobel Prize speech.

Abdus Salam, part of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, declared non-Muslim by the Pakistani Parliament in 1974. Despite being rejected by his own country, and living overseas, he continued to support Pakistani scientists.

Abdus Salam was buried in a cemetery in Punjab, Pakistan, next to his parents' graves. The epitaph on his tomb initially read "First Muslim Nobel Laureate" until the local magistrate forced the words "Muslim" to be removed.

"Not Islam Version A or Version B" my ass. The only way to achieve that purity is by force; use threat of expulsion or death to enforce religious totalitarianism.

Re: Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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post #51

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Hajj visas are very restrictive. You aren't allowed to go anywhere except Mecca and Medina, and you're only allowed to stay for the length of hajj plus a few days extra for travel. And many of the people who go to hajj have spent their life's savings just to get there. So not a lot of foreign money is flowing, at least not compared to those other places.

Foreign == non-Muslim? Because somebody is staying in those hotels and its not locals, right?

Pretty sure they're aimed at the wealthier muslims who don't want to stay in crude and overcrowded camps, not at non muslims.

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a Muslim is to bow one's will to the Almighty. There is no such thing Wahabi/Hijji/Cultural Muslims. This is cleared in the Quran, that the religion chosen for us is Islam, not Islam Version A or Version B. A Muslim will enter it knowing its importance, and though he may not be perfect in conduct, he would ought to ask for forgiveness. Non-Muslims would naturally move about naturally, and end up doing things th…

>Being a Muslim is to bow one's will to the Almighty. There is no such thing Wahabi/Hijji/Cultural Muslims. This is cleared in the Quran, that the religion chosen for us is Islam, not Islam Version A or Version B. Again, that's a black and white view of things, and violates the live and let live golden rule. Not just now, right after the death of the prophet Islam began to diverge. The Quran, itself was assembled int…

Since Muslim literalists quashed non literalists such as Mutazila back in the Middle Ages and Islam is in free fall at least from an intellectual point of view.

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Someone should pay more attention to preserving old heritage sites and historical structures in Mecca. The boorish Saudi Royal family is turning this into a religious disneyland. What shame.

> The boorish Saudi Royal family is turning this into a religious disneyland.

My guess is that they're doing it to put a Wahabbi stamp on things and erase everything else.

Re: Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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That clock tower and hotel are an abomination and in bad taste.It's as if someone decided to put a Las Vegas style Casino style building right next to the Vatican.

to be fair, someone did decide to put a new design right thing next to the Vatican, and Via della Conciliazione[0] is widely criticized.

(Yet, nowhere as bad as the clock tower, I would say).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_della_Conciliazione

Re: Mecca Then and Now – 128 Years of Growth

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If only there was a way people could vote on certain stories based on if they felt the article was interesting or not. Oh wait.. /s

Read again, I said it IS interesting ... to anyone. You see the content drive the audience and then the audience drive the content. Too much broad interesting articles and it's not Hacker News anymore.

I think you're misunderstanding the point of the guideline. In set theoretic terms, "good hackers" are a subset of "anyone". Thus, something that's interesting to anyone is by definition interesting to good hackers as well, and is therefore fine. The problem arises when there are too many submissions that are not interesting to good hackers. That's what keeps this community from becoming just another StumbleUpon or Digg or /r/news. If it's not interesting to most "good hackers", it's off topic. If it's interesting to "anyone", to include "good hackers", then it's fine.
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