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“Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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Sadly I use my brower tabs as my Tsundoku... I keep them open for months and even years.

Is this sarcasm/a joke? I can't keep firefox or chrome open for more than week without it running up 4GB RAM utilization.

You have to restart it twice a day. It remembers your tabs, so it's just a short click and you are back exactly as before.

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

#64
post #10

once again im impressed by the expressiveness of the japanese language:) Since i have almost all my books at my kindle at least i dont have to dust them regulary:D

Japanese is a really nice language. The grammar for plain speech is so consistent that I'm always tempted to try to write it down in BNF. The other nice thing about it is that it is economical. A noun by itself is a grammatically correct sentence. Copula and verbs are optional. Any sentence ending in a verb (or copula, as long as you change "da" to "na") can be used to modify a noun. It makes it so simple to say comp…

I hate commenting on the internet, especially since it's going to go against almost every idea that the original commenter posted. That aside, here is my advice for studying Japanese. This is purely my opinion and one method that I've been using.

- Try to evaluate where you want to 'end up' with your fluency. If you want a full time job in a business environment then I highly recommend learning polite forms of verbs first. The more that your practice this form, the more comfortable it'll be to use. If you want to talk casually to friends and family, then learning just the plain form is ok. If you want the slow, long, methodical approach to learning Japanese and achieve a much greater fluency, learn the plain form and the negative form at the same time along with the polite form. I highly advise against using the plain form with people you've met for the first time or are dealing with in a business setting. It's very off-putting since it feels like you're talking like a child. I recommend learning the plain form and the negative form at the same time because of the structure of Japanese verbs. Learning both of these forms at the same time will give you an immediate hint as to how all of the other verb inflections should appear. This will become apparent when you're learning conditional, potential, volition and passive verbs.

- Tae Kim's guide is good for understanding many concepts quickly but the website I prefer the most is Imabi.net[1]. It contains more content and is constantly being updated and edited to improve its content.

- Learning katakana right after hiragana is vital if you want to live in Japan. Also, try to associate only the sound with the character, not a mnemonic. Use that time to focus on your pronunciation. Many borrowed words from other languages use katakana and learning katakana at the beginning will help you remember those words faster. For example, a common word used in Japanese is トレーニング. It sounds awfully close to "training" and since it's in katakana, it gives you a hint as to what the word might mean. While katakana words are not 100% borrowed words, it certainly appears to be above 80%. Related to this, do not learn romaji as a way of writing characters.

- I agree, do not avoid learning kanji. Always learn kanji with vocabulary. I don't recommend Heisig's book if you're taking the long, methodical approach I mentioned earlier. It includes a lot of mnemonics that I don't think actually contribute to the actual kanji's reading. Plus, if you do go through the entire series, then you'll still be behind in your kanji learning. There are a lot of words that you still don't know the meaning to! For example, 八百屋 and 海老 don't mean 800 shops and ocean's old. They mean produce market and shrimp respectively. My recommendation is to learn vocabulary and the kanji readings for that vocabulary.

- I don't read manga, personally, but another way to learn conversational Japanese is by watching television shows and mimicking them! (On the other hand, I don't recommend mimicking anime.) If you like manga, then go for it! Just go for your favourite entertainment medium. If you're learning conversational Japanese, then try to find a serious language partner. Find someone who is a native Japanese speaker trying to learn your native language. Allocate 1 hour or a half hour to go over Japanese and another equal block of time in your native language. Native English speakers will have the easiest time searching for a language partner but don't give up if your native language isn't English.

- Textbooks are good for certain circumstances. I believe textbooks are good for the long, slow methodical approach. It keeps you focused and gives you goals to work towards. If you don't like textbooks, then pick up a non-fiction book and try reading! It'll force you to pause, give thought to the meaning of the sentence and look up words/grammar. The non-fiction book method will probably take longer than a textbook though, especially if you're just starting out. Fiction books will be extremely difficult because they will sometimes make up words that won't appear in dictionaries.

- I actually prefer large lists of vocabulary. I get the greatest benefit from lists of nouns since I pick those up the fastest. As the original commenter pointed out, this is definitely not for everyone. Reading books or manga will give a more entertaining method for learning new words. It'll even give you the more nuanced meaning of words. The right and wrong places to use them, etc. Check out the Tatoeba[2] project as well for example sentences using the words you're learning.

For any language you're learning, try to use the language as you're learning it. Try to come up with new sentences based on what you've learned. Try to talk to people using the new verbs you learned. Try using Lang-8[3] for writing.

Japanese is really difficult because although I've been studying it for a year and a half now, I still don't feel like I'm 'fluent'. I can give you examples of things that I've been able to achieve using Japanese but I definitely wouldn't call myself fluent. Using the CEFR, I would probably put myself between B1 and B2 for certain circumstances and maybe between A2 and B1 for other circumstances. Learning Japanese will take time, don't give up.

[1] http://www.imabi.net/

[2] http://tatoeba.org/

[3] http://lang-8.com/

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or generically how about a word to describe a customer that buys your stuff, but never opens it? I have been thinking of kickstarting a board game where there will be 500 boxes, 499 contain blank stuff, 1 contains the stuff with the printing materials etc. As long as you leave your copy shrink wrapped yours might be the really valuable one.

I like it - the metagame is basically a distributed prisoners dilemma around notional future value. You should call the game 'blockchain'

(Actually, I just realized that a far more accurate analogy arises if you were to call the game 'CDO'. Now I'm depressed.)

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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I used to worry over having unread books around, but now I prefer a library of unread books from which I can browse and pick. A library of books already read is just for show, or just takes up space if you are not referencing them or re-reading them. Tsundoku is the way you should keep your library, but preferably not on the floor and nightstands. Guilty:)

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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post #8

I wish my "Tsundoku" could have been an investment that could generate some passive income. But alas my copy of "Sams Teach Yourself Visual Basic in 24 hours" circa 1995 (or so), is still untouched. Just never got the necessary 24 hours to learn it. Maybe I can sell it by the tonnage sometime. I thought that going the Kindle and digital media route would have saved me from adding to my "Tsundoku", but I am back in co…

One main advantage of the Kindle is that my tsundoku is now not as visible to my wife. No more raised eyebrows at the latest Amazon box to appear on the doorstep.

Still have to be sure that she doesn't look too closely at the credit card statement, though...

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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post #8

I wish my "Tsundoku" could have been an investment that could generate some passive income. But alas my copy of "Sams Teach Yourself Visual Basic in 24 hours" circa 1995 (or so), is still untouched. Just never got the necessary 24 hours to learn it. Maybe I can sell it by the tonnage sometime. I thought that going the Kindle and digital media route would have saved me from adding to my "Tsundoku", but I am back in co…

I wish my "Tsundoku" could have been an investment that could generate some passive income. But alas my copy of "Sams Teach Yourself Visual Basic in 24 hours" circa 1995 (or so), is still untouched. Just never got the necessary 24 hours to learn it. Maybe I can sell it by the tonnage sometime.

All the bad press that Visual Basic gets despite its popularity in the late XX century may spark some historic interest in this language in the future. Don't lose hope :)

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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post #8

I wish my "Tsundoku" could have been an investment that could generate some passive income. But alas my copy of "Sams Teach Yourself Visual Basic in 24 hours" circa 1995 (or so), is still untouched. Just never got the necessary 24 hours to learn it. Maybe I can sell it by the tonnage sometime. I thought that going the Kindle and digital media route would have saved me from adding to my "Tsundoku", but I am back in co…

One main advantage of the Kindle is that my tsundoku is now not as visible to my wife. No more raised eyebrows at the latest Amazon box to appear on the doorstep. Still have to be sure that she doesn't look too closely at the credit card statement, though...

Oh yes, the raised eyebrows and the disapproving looks. I have mastered the art of unboxing and recycling the amazon packaging within a few seconds of it reaching the front door. One must learn to manage under adverse conditions.

Re: “Tsundoku,” the Japanese Word for the New Books That Pile Up on Our Shelves

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post #63
post #55

Sadly I use my brower tabs as my Tsundoku... I keep them open for months and even years.

I have 100 tabs open right now across 12 windows... I think I have a problem.

Ok, you made me count. I have exactly 50(!) windows open, and the three first windows I checked had 34, 7, and 15 tabs. I know at least two of the windows have about 100 tabs each. Altogether, I estimate maybe 700-800 tabs?

I wish I were joking.

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