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Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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I love the mantra of "the web is supported by advertising" that every one of these sorts of articles at least quotes. It's not. Shitty business models are supported by advertising. There are plenty of us who provide non-advertising driven services that are profitable and can afford transit costs. As for blocking, the technology allows it so I will use it. If it doesn't allow it, I have no ethical qualms about breakin…

The mantra? This is how the majority of the web is monetized. It's not a mantra, it's a fact. People contribute content to the web and you pay with viewing ads. I don't know how you can rationalize that as being a "shitty" business model just because you purchase a device that is capable of connecting to the internet. If what you really mean to say is that it's a bad business model because people like yourself can in…

I'm with Buffoon on this one.

Trying to convince somebody they want to buy something by bombarding them with ads on every web page is shitty. I don't want to be exposed to it. I don't want my kids exposed to it.

Then to build your content business on top of the shitty advertising industry that seems kind of a bad idea.

I think if people want your content they will pay. Publishers just need to bundle it the right way.

And I've said it a few times here on HN, but if we as a society think news and current affairs is important, we shouldn't trust it to commercial organisations driven by profit, we need independent, publicly funded news like Australia's ABC.

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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I don't want ad companies tracking me. Ad companies have roundly demonstrated that I can no longer trust them to show me ads without tracking. Sorry, but I'm not switching off that blocker. Maybe if the history of the internet had taken a different course. But now it's too late -- the well's been poisoned, and advertisers and publishers have only themselves to blame. Pointing the finger at the users doesn't do anythi…

I do DNS Hijacking on my own network for known trackers and ad networks. On my mobile devices i have an active connection home to filter the data. It kinda works... Im now looking at building the DNS filter into an app that i can load on a raspPI or a old laptop to handle all blocking and integration with addBlock lists.

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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For all the people cheering on ad blockers: do you not realize that the _only_ result of wide-spread ad blocking is to drive smaller ad networks out of business and make Google into a monopoly?

This is not a win for privacy or security on the Internet. Google is an order of magnitude worse offender compared to the small-time ad networks.

And no, you cannot ad block Google. Good luck trying to block google.com cookies and access to *.google.com.

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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post #14

About a year or so ago, my dad called me out of the blue and told me that my mom was crying because "internet ads were following her and making her anxious". Earlier that day, she came from a doctor and ended up searching for a medical condition on a famous search website. After that, she started seeing ads for various bullshit remedies all across the internet. Almost every website she visited, showed her same types…

I now choose to believe that your mother is responsible for Content Blocking Extensions on iOS. Please thank her for us.

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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> In other words, even the most important and widely respected newspaper in the world is nowhere close to being healthily monetized, especially not by the small number of people who pay for it.

It's not true that people won't pay for "content". People subscribe to Netflix, and still go to the theaters in droves (despite "piracy"). People buy games. And it's not even true that there's a problem with written content: people still buy books.

People won't pay for news, which isn't the same thing as "content" in general.

The reason people won't pay for news is because news have no inherent value.

Reading the news is a way of passing time; it's more like glazing at trees and leaves in the wind (but much less enjoyable).

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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For all the people cheering on ad blockers: do you not realize that the _only_ result of wide-spread ad blocking is to drive smaller ad networks out of business and make Google into a monopoly? This is not a win for privacy or security on the Internet. Google is an order of magnitude worse offender compared to the small-time ad networks. And no, you cannot ad block Google. Good luck trying to block google.com cookies…

> you cannot ad block Google

Why not? It may be difficult to stop google from tracking you, but if you don't ever see the consequences (as you're blocking their ads), it doesn't much matter does it?

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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post #65

> In other words, even the most important and widely respected newspaper in the world is nowhere close to being healthily monetized, especially not by the small number of people who pay for it. It's not true that people won't pay for "content". People subscribe to Netflix, and still go to the theaters in droves (despite "piracy"). People buy games. And it's not even true that there's a problem with written content: p…

I would tend to agree. I took a news writing course in college. We got a bullet point list about newsworthiness: 1) proximity 2) recency 3) prominence... and a few others.

They also taught us to write short paragraphs, short sentences, and use limited vocabulary. Further, you write stories in "inverted pyramid" style, where basically every sentence in an article is in decreasing order of importance, such that you can basically only read the first sentence of a story and know the whole thing.

Given that, I think much of traditional news is pretty much replaced by twitter, youtube, facebook, blogs, etc. Your friends will do a good job of surfacing newsworthy stories. And reporting the facts is pretty easily done by tweeters, bloggers, and those capturing photos/video.

Yet professional news writing about politics, weather, sports, and business will never go away because its crucial to society. Farmers need to know the weather. Vegas needs to know about sports scores. And investors need to know about business activity. All those groups will pay for that news.

But investigative journalism, interviews, in-depth stories, and the like do have inherent value. I hope there are viable business models for people producing that content.

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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post #38

This is why I encourage all the people I know, who aren't great with computers, to use adblockers: http://i.imgur.com/dzwaKhI.png Saw that ad for what is borderline malware on a fresh install of windows 10 while trying out Microsoft Edge to see what it's worth as a browser. It's a google ad (you can always spot them through the X button), on a popular website. As long as google doesn't do any real policing on what is…

That little triangle looking logo in the to right is the AdChoices logo, Google has that on everything going through AdSense but just because AdSense -> AdChoices does not mean that AdChoices -> AdSense. That advertisement is actually an AdSense ad in this case but not everything you see with that logo is AdSense.

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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My personal reason for using an ad blocker is the infrastructure.

There is nothing wrong with ads. But there is something deeply wrong with ad networks and automated ad placement.

Giving up a square of your website to some company to place whatever the hell they deem relevant is the reason I dislike web ads. I go to a website to read their content, not what Doubleclick thinks I should see based on my creepy user profile.

So if content creators curate and produce ads in partnership with advertisers (whose products they must actually, you know, like enough to want to promote to their readers) then maybe people will find ads less offensive. Instead of seeing ads for malware, or a private medical condition, or the towels they were just browsing on Amazon in a separate tab.

Great content creators don't use an algorithm and analytics-generated user profiles to determine what content to serve individual users, they just publish what they think their readers will like. Why not do the same for ads?

Re: Welcome to the Block Party: The internet after ad blocking

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post #38

This is why I encourage all the people I know, who aren't great with computers, to use adblockers: http://i.imgur.com/dzwaKhI.png Saw that ad for what is borderline malware on a fresh install of windows 10 while trying out Microsoft Edge to see what it's worth as a browser. It's a google ad (you can always spot them through the X button), on a popular website. As long as google doesn't do any real policing on what is…

Microsoft announced earlier this year an IE feature called "SmartScreen Filter" that is supposed to detect and block misleading or malicious ads. I assume Edge has this feature, too, but from the blog post (and your experience) it sounds like it is disabled by default.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2015/04/28/cleaning-...

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