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We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by fapjacks »

akkartik wrote: post #43
voltagex_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 180ms from a residential Canadian connection so I'd imagine it's similar from some parts of the US. Expecting ~300ms from my Australian ADSL connection (compared to ~190ms to an LA based DigitalOcean instance). vpsbench on Scaleway: CPU model: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) Number of cores: 4 CPU frequency: MHz Total amount of RAM: 2022 MB Total amount of swap: 0 MB System uptime: 10 min, I/O speed: 99.6 MB/s Bzip…

Wait, what's the CPU frequency on Scaleway? I just created a test instance with them and ran an open source project of mine. It runs just as fast as anywhere else, but compiling it takes 5 times as long. Investigating further to see if it's just something about my (weird) project. Edit : ah pella posted a comment at the same time as me with details on just how slow the ARM CPU is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…

Ouch! That is a very big deal.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

#62

Post by mikeash »

jazzyk wrote: post #28
JoshTriplett wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2015 and people still use Discover cards. Why? I can think of several good reasons to use American Express, despite it being somewhat less widely accepted. But Discover doesn't seem to have any obvious value over a MasterCard or Visa.

Their value is providing competition to Mastercard/Visa. Without Discover, the duopoly would charge even higher transaction costs, etc.

What about American Express? They're doing pretty well. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use Discover, so I don't know how much competition they really provide.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

#63

Post by Marazan »

akkartik wrote: post #43
voltagex_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 180ms from a residential Canadian connection so I'd imagine it's similar from some parts of the US. Expecting ~300ms from my Australian ADSL connection (compared to ~190ms to an LA based DigitalOcean instance). vpsbench on Scaleway: CPU model: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) Number of cores: 4 CPU frequency: MHz Total amount of RAM: 2022 MB Total amount of swap: 0 MB System uptime: 10 min, I/O speed: 99.6 MB/s Bzip…

Wait, what's the CPU frequency on Scaleway? I just created a test instance with them and ran an open source project of mine. It runs just as fast as anywhere else, but compiling it takes 5 times as long. Investigating further to see if it's just something about my (weird) project. Edit : ah pella posted a comment at the same time as me with details on just how slow the ARM CPU is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…

One thing with those benchmarks:

Amon's piece is back when Scaleway was way more expensive. Amon says that he started a DigitalOcean Droplet with similar specs to the Scaleway box.

The Scaleway box has 2GB of memeory and 4 cores.

The first Digital Ocean box with more than 1 core and 2GB of memory is $20 a month. That's 6 times more expensive than Scaleway!

It would be interesting to see what the benchmarks would be like on the price competitive Digital Ocean offering (single core, 512MB memory, 20GB Hard disk)

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by jedisct1 »

cwyers wrote: post #50

> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1 Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the price…

Prices are going down, and people complain. Go figure.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by ersoft »

weddpros wrote: post #32
jo909 wrote: post #30

For every comparison we should take into account that scaleway offers dedicated hardware, not a VPS. Also I think its important to note that they (currently) only offer one very "small" server model, so your whole application would have to be able to scale horizontally really well to be able to run on such infrastructure. So you can't have a few big database servers and a lot of small stateless application servers, w…

But... Scaleway is a spinoff of Online.net which offers fine (and cheap) dedicated Intel servers. I don't know (yet) the ping between Scaleway and online.net but it's probably low enough to allow scaling "workers" on ARM servers, while DBs are kept on 64bits dedicated Intel servers. Also if you want to scale horizontally, you probably want to scale on more than one datacenter (online provides that too).

I have a running server at online.net (small personal tier, 8 core, 8gb RAM, 120gb ssd) [1] for 20euros/m running a CI server. I've spinned up a scaleway server and ping from online.net to scaleway or reverse is under 1ms (0.5-0.8ms)

Also, they are offering VPC by default, the nodes seem to have only one network interface which defaults to private network, and external traffic is routed to private network with specific firewall rules. Also, they are offering ip failover, I think you can attach or move external ips at runtime between servers without configuring anything on the nodes (just from API).

For online.net I know they are offering DDOS protection for higher priced servers, I'm now sure if they are supporting this for scaleway, but you can always reverse proxy from online.net server to scaleway to achieve horizontal scalability if this is an issue.

[1] http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-xc

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by powertower »

cwyers wrote: post #50

> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1 Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the price…

It's likely PR speak for - we are pricing our Cloud instances to stay competitive with Amazon and the other players.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by pixiez »

C1 is probably not an extremely performant machine, so what is the preferred solution for database hosting? I guess the latency will be too high if we host the database remotely i.e. outside Scaleway but the C1 instance might be not good enough to host a database which is normally the main bottleneck?

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by pixiez »

cwyers wrote: post #50

> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1 Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the price…

I think there can be a thousand valid (good) reason for them to lower the price, and it is good news for most people unless scaleway raise the price back once they gain more users. (if they do this, I wont use it again)

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by akkartik »

Marazan wrote: post #63
akkartik wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, what's the CPU frequency on Scaleway? I just created a test instance with them and ran an open source project of mine. It runs just as fast as anywhere else, but compiling it takes 5 times as long. Investigating further to see if it's just something about my (weird) project. Edit : ah pella posted a comment at the same time as me with details on just how slow the ARM CPU is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…

One thing with those benchmarks: Amon's piece is back when Scaleway was way more expensive. Amon says that he started a DigitalOcean Droplet with similar specs to the Scaleway box. The Scaleway box has 2GB of memeory and 4 cores. The first Digital Ocean box with more than 1 core and 2GB of memory is $20 a month. That's 6 times more expensive than Scaleway! It would be interesting to see what the benchmarks would be l…

I just tried it and got a 20x difference.

Scaleway, using one of four 1332 bogomips processors and 2GB RAM (~$3.30/mo):

  Test execution summary:
      total time:                          685.4730s
      total number of events:              10000
      total time taken by event execution: 685.4637
      per-request statistics:
           min:                                 68.52ms
           avg:                                 68.55ms
           max:                                 75.46ms
           approx.  95 percentile:              68.58ms
Digital Ocean, using the sole 4600 bogomips processor and 512MB RAM ($5/mo):

  Test execution summary:
      total time:                          34.9343s
      total number of events:              10000
      total time taken by event execution: 34.9257
      per-request statistics:
           min:                                  2.88ms
           avg:                                  3.49ms
           max:                                  8.00ms
           approx.  95 percentile:               3.68ms
Commandline:

  $ sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=20000 run

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by axaxs »

pixiez wrote: post #67

C1 is probably not an extremely performant machine, so what is the preferred solution for database hosting? I guess the latency will be too high if we host the database remotely i.e. outside Scaleway but the C1 instance might be not good enough to host a database which is normally the main bottleneck?

Host it on a real host at online.net, they're in the same DC and owned by the same company.
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