Those salaries seem absurdly low. Also, why is the cost of employees with overhead lower? (NB/EDIT: Pointed out below this is for 3/4 of the year, not the full year - but the rest of my point stands.) That makes zero sense. Surely they are paying payroll tax, unemployment insurance and health insurance for their employees, no?
> Also, why is the cost of employees with overhead lower? I think that's the cost of the employees for the 9 months (not 12) it takes them to do the required work.
Will Your Hardware Startup Make Money?
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#62I did a hardware startup earlier this year ( http://gameref.io ) and tried to fund it via Kickstarter. I need to write a post-mortem one of these days, but even after significant media coverage (including PC Gamer, Vice, Polygon, etc.): - http://www.pcgamer.com/introducing-gameref-the-anti-cheat-ha... - http://www.redbull.com/en/esports/stories/1331720277392/game... - http://www.pcgamesn.com/gameref-is-a-prototype-an…
Curious what the endgame looks like for hardware startups that fail? One of the things that appeals to me about software startups is that if they don't work out, I've learned a lot of valuable technical skills that there's a market for. I can easily do some consulting or get a job with a fast-growing company to replenish the bank account, and then try again if I have another idea. Is there the same transferability wi…
This isn't my first rodeo, but I usually just write off failed start-ups in general as dreams forgotten (and boy do I have a lot of forgotten dreams). I obviously gained a lot of technical knowledge: how USB works, packet formats, some hardware engineering, driver programming, etc. But unless I ever get a job writing low-level code for hardware devices, I doubt I'll ever use that knowledge again.
Who knows, maybe for another hardware start-up?
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#63Really good explanation of all the costs people don't think about. Don't be disheartened. Take those numbers and work them down. Get the overhead cost down by doing it yourself and using consultants. Get the manufacturing cost down through dogged engineering and adjusting your product spec. Write a product strategy that allows you to ramp up toward retail availability, even if it takes several products to get there.…
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your estimate for item 3?
i think OP was suggesting you look at GoPro / Fitbit's filing documentation with the government, which publicly discloses these numbers. i'll look for them and update this comment if i find them ---------- > We have recently begun to spend significant amounts on advertising and other marketing campaigns to acquire new users, which may not be successful or cost-effective. > We have recently begun to spend significant…
In contrast, a hardware startup (or a software one, for that matter) just has to go out and hustle to get every single sale, whether through paid or non-paid customer acquisition channels. This is where YC's philosophy of treating hardware and software companies similarly works: they both usually have very similar customer acquisition challenges in rapidly building and scaling their growth channels (rather than, say, technical engineering challenges, which are very rarely the limiting factor in startups).
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#65Finding a talented EE for 75K/year seems like an impossible endeavor (if I read this correctly)
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know the EE space well in SF Bay Area (source - I was an internal recruiter for a hardware based startup). EE generally sits between 70-90k (but have seen people demand $120k), whereas software developers (especially mobile) is more like 90-120k (and for top talent sits around $150-200k). Depending on the financial health (i.e. funding) of the company, the full cost of an employee can range from 1.25x-1.80x their b…
But if your an EE and a software dev can you get 75 + 100 or $175K ? :-) One of the best advice my Dad ever gave me when I was thinking about majors in college was that you could program computers with an EE or a CS degree but without an EE degree they probably wouldn't let you build/design them. The math and physics were, to my taste, more difficult but I got tremendous satisfaction in being able to understand a com…
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried to launch a hardware start-up on Kickstarter earlier this year ( http://www.pcgamer.com/introducing-gameref-the-anti-cheat-ha... ). Unfortunately, it didn't get funded. I might just suck at PR, but I don't think The Sensel Morph is really representative of your run-of-the-mill funding experience.
These guys raised $650k for their keyboard last month: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/keyboardio/the-model-01... I think a lot of these guys try to build a following before they launch.
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#68This is a great article and the estimates are decent for what it is. The ultimate point is absolutely right: you will not make money on your first production run. But there are three big warnings that should be in BLINK tags under the headline: (1) This is a decent estimate for a completely commodity product (Bluetooth headphones). No iOS/Android app development, no content development, very little custom firmware or…
What's your estimate for item 3?
If you had an original product that actually goes viral, the marketing costs goes way down.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know the EE space well in SF Bay Area (source - I was an internal recruiter for a hardware based startup). EE generally sits between 70-90k (but have seen people demand $120k), whereas software developers (especially mobile) is more like 90-120k (and for top talent sits around $150-200k). Depending on the financial health (i.e. funding) of the company, the full cost of an employee can range from 1.25x-1.80x their b…
But if your an EE and a software dev can you get 75 + 100 or $175K ? :-) One of the best advice my Dad ever gave me when I was thinking about majors in college was that you could program computers with an EE or a CS degree but without an EE degree they probably wouldn't let you build/design them. The math and physics were, to my taste, more difficult but I got tremendous satisfaction in being able to understand a com…
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#70It is certainly true that you can spend this amount of money on a product and not make money on the first 5000 product run. But it is certainly possible to make money on such a first batch: Why do you need inhouse EE, ME, DE en Embedded Engeneer for a headphone. Many of these functions can be done by a small design firm or freelancer that you hire for a much smaller fee. In addition, these people do this all the time…
I think you really need some expertise in what you are trying to build. It has to be really hard doing a decent cost estimation otherwise.