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Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by kyllo »

gamache wrote: post #28

As required by the Mac App Store, Haskell for Mac is sandboxed. Consequently, Haskell code executed in a Haskell for Mac playground cannot access any data except for Haskell for Mac documents, the app container, and those system files white-listed by the operating system. Any attempt to access other files or to initiate a network connection will be rejected by the operating system. This seems unnecessarily crippling.…

Wait, this is a desktop app?

Wow... based on the sandboxing thing I had assumed it was an iOS app for learning Haskell on your iPad or something.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by joesmo »

15155 wrote: post #53
rdsnsca wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not required to install apps through the MAS.

Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.

And every single version, including minor version upgrades, this setting goes back to "MAS and identified developers," despite me explicitly setting to "Anywhere." If that isn't obnoxiously bad UI design (that I'm sure some idiot will defend), I don't know what is. I love the hardware, but the software is slowly turning to shit because of bugs (especially core bugs like not supporting many Bluetooth or RF mice/trackballs) and "features" like this. No two ways about it.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by edraferi »

Nullabillity wrote: post #8
trymas wrote: post #5

I would like to see some demo version, as 20€ is a bit too much to drop. Looks cool, lots of inspiration from swift playgrounds. Though, aren't there any open source alternatives (I have never tried haskell), probably similar to ipython (jupyter) stack?

Perhaps IHaskell ( https://github.com/gibiansky/IHaskell ) is what you're looking for? It seems to be available on Jupyter's demo website.

I'm a heavy iPython user and thought iHaskell would be a good way to try out the language on my Mac. Unfortunately I just wound up in Cabal Hell. I spent a few hours tracking down broken dependencies on GitHub before giving up.

This project looks exciting because it lets you get started with a working distribution. I'm happy to pay for the privilege of ignoring the mess until the language has proven itself to me.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by joesmo »

jeromegv wrote: post #56
15155 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.

This setting in Preference Panel is opt-in, not opt-out. Default behaviour does not reject non-MAS apps. Most likely a security setting for companies or restricted environments. The rest is pure speculation.

Default behavior rejects anything not in the MAS or signed by Apple developers. It also resets to this default on every OS upgrade. Seems pretty clear it's not only opt-out, it's opt-out until the next upgrade when Apple will ram it down your fucking throat again just because they can and call it "good design." Fuck them.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by porsupah »

joesmo wrote: post #62
15155 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.

And every single version, including minor version upgrades, this setting goes back to "MAS and identified developers," despite me explicitly setting to "Anywhere." If that isn't obnoxiously bad UI design (that I'm sure some idiot will defend), I don't know what is. I love the hardware, but the software is slowly turning to shit because of bugs (especially core bugs like not supporting many Bluetooth or RF mice/trackb…

Your installation would appear to be anomalous, as such reversion of that (or indeed, any) preference isn't the norm.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by makomk »

interpol_p wrote: post #11
tonylxc wrote: post #9

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Sounds good but still not convincing. For example, R can do the same thing, too, or even better. And it can be integrated with other programming languages. I would never buy it either until somebody really shows it's worth the money.

It's only $25. I've been interested in playing with Haskell for a while but I've been put off by the need to setup existing tools. Having an all-in-one package with neat presentation, packaged libraries, and immediate feedback sounds like a great deal for $25.

It doesn't take many "only $25"s before you've spend $100.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by interpol_p »

jane_is_here wrote: post #52
interpol_p wrote: post #11

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It's only $25. I've been interested in playing with Haskell for a while but I've been put off by the need to setup existing tools. Having an all-in-one package with neat presentation, packaged libraries, and immediate feedback sounds like a great deal for $25.

The problem is having to use a Mac. I guess that I could spin up my Yosemite virtual machine...

I think having to run a VM you don't often use is kind of defeating the purpose of the app.

If you're willing to run a VM for a single app you are probably the type of person who is willing to spend the time to set up a Haskell tool chain and libraries for free.

Although I am most definitely not that type of person, all I care about is playing with the language. Anything detrimental to that is just noise and not worth the time. So I consider the $25 quite a cheap price to not have to think about the extraneous actions required to get a Haskell environment up and running.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by interpol_p »

makomk wrote: post #67
interpol_p wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only $25. I've been interested in playing with Haskell for a while but I've been put off by the need to setup existing tools. Having an all-in-one package with neat presentation, packaged libraries, and immediate feedback sounds like a great deal for $25.

It doesn't take many "only $25"s before you've spend $100.

$100 is also quite cheap for a well developed piece of software that you enjoy using.

Re: Haskell for Mac

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Post by jporsay »

erpellan wrote: post #50

I bought it. If someone (cough)Jetbrains were to offer a full blown IDE with code-navigation, refactoring tools, smart autocomplete etc etc. I would pay them 10 times as much.

And something such as haskforce[1] wouldn't work for you? [1] http://carymrobbins.github.io/intellij-haskforce/
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