I'm a flash dev in my 30s, never made as much money as I am making now. Flash is not dead, it's changing, it moved to embedded devices and has blazing performance results. As usual, a decade ahead of where the web is at. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/air.html Haters gotta hate! (-__-)
Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
61–70 of 78 posts
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#62I have Flash enabled all the time. No probs here. Smooth and efficient. I have no agenda or need to kill it. So much viral hate. Plugins have a right to exist. You gonna declare war on all plugins or just Flash? HTML doesn't necessarily run its full suite of tricks on all browsers and platforms. And my iPad3 often slows to a crawl because of bloated well-known websites. Browser memory maxes out and I can't even switc…
Flash is a closed source binary plugin with a long history of security vulnerabilities that Adobe was slow to patch. For the most part, JavaScript engines are open source, don't have a history of security vulnerabilities (to the same severity), and are typically patched quickly.
(linking to myself) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9875333
It's been more than a year since there's been a month without multiple CVE severity 10 bugs.
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#63I'm a flash dev in my 30s, never made as much money as I am making now. Flash is not dead, it's changing, it moved to embedded devices and has blazing performance results. As usual, a decade ahead of where the web is at. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/air.html Haters gotta hate! (-__-)
Curious here, what do you use it for on embedded devices?
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#64I have Flash enabled all the time. No probs here. Smooth and efficient. I have no agenda or need to kill it. So much viral hate. Plugins have a right to exist. You gonna declare war on all plugins or just Flash? HTML doesn't necessarily run its full suite of tricks on all browsers and platforms. And my iPad3 often slows to a crawl because of bloated well-known websites. Browser memory maxes out and I can't even switc…
Flash is a closed source binary plugin with a long history of security vulnerabilities that Adobe was slow to patch. For the most part, JavaScript engines are open source, don't have a history of security vulnerabilities (to the same severity), and are typically patched quickly.
Here is a 2014 vulnerability report of Secunia: https://secunia.com/resources/vulnerability-review/update-al...
Google Chrome is at the top with most vulnerabilities, IE a bit below it, Avant browser, Firefox. Same with the 2015 edition.
Flash didn't even make it in the top 20. And yes, they also evaluated it.
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#65Amazon is switching to JavaScript animated ads to support all devices. This isn't anything against Flash, this is a business decision to reach more eyeballs. Flash is fast. JavaScript/HTML5/WebGL/etc are just recently getting close to the performance we had in Flash 10+ years ago. Flash is perceived to be slow because it was used to make obtrusive advertising, like JavaScript is used now. The evil dictator has been r…
Flash's speed on desktops is not the main strike against it, although it was actually quite bad for many things (the 3d stuff worked better for it because it bypassed its aging 2d rendering engine which no-one left at Adobe understood or could fix). Flash's speed on mobile was abysmal and Adobe tried and failed to fix it for years (after Steve Jobs' famously pointed all this stuff out). The fact that Flash would stor…
The hatred for flash from me is simple. On osx, almost ALL of my browser crashes had flash on the stack at the time things went belly up.
That, plus flashes uncanny ability to peg a process at 100% for seemingly just moving images about made me not a huge fan. This doesn't mean javascript isn't getting as bad or worse now that things are moving to there, but at least the javascript engines aren't as horrible as the flash runtime was. But if these javascript ads start burning cpu and draining energy from my laptop battery there will be a whole lot more sites getting added to my local firewall rules.
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#66I'm a flash dev in my 30s, never made as much money as I am making now. Flash is not dead, it's changing, it moved to embedded devices and has blazing performance results. As usual, a decade ahead of where the web is at. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/air.html Haters gotta hate! (-__-)
Curious here, what do you use it for on embedded devices?
Sorry sir, meant 'mobile' devices
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#67Amazon is switching to JavaScript animated ads to support all devices. This isn't anything against Flash, this is a business decision to reach more eyeballs. Flash is fast. JavaScript/HTML5/WebGL/etc are just recently getting close to the performance we had in Flash 10+ years ago. Flash is perceived to be slow because it was used to make obtrusive advertising, like JavaScript is used now. The evil dictator has been r…
Flash's speed on desktops is not the main strike against it, although it was actually quite bad for many things (the 3d stuff worked better for it because it bypassed its aging 2d rendering engine which no-one left at Adobe understood or could fix). Flash's speed on mobile was abysmal and Adobe tried and failed to fix it for years (after Steve Jobs' famously pointed all this stuff out). The fact that Flash would stor…
> Flash's speed on desktops is not the main strike against it
Flash's speed on windows wasn't the main strike against it. As a Mac user it was always quite slow, even worse in the PPC days.
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#68Amazon is switching to JavaScript animated ads to support all devices. This isn't anything against Flash, this is a business decision to reach more eyeballs. Flash is fast. JavaScript/HTML5/WebGL/etc are just recently getting close to the performance we had in Flash 10+ years ago. Flash is perceived to be slow because it was used to make obtrusive advertising, like JavaScript is used now. The evil dictator has been r…
Flash's speed on desktops is not the main strike against it, although it was actually quite bad for many things (the 3d stuff worked better for it because it bypassed its aging 2d rendering engine which no-one left at Adobe understood or could fix). Flash's speed on mobile was abysmal and Adobe tried and failed to fix it for years (after Steve Jobs' famously pointed all this stuff out). The fact that Flash would stor…
Oh yes, the security was a huge problem. I absolutely do not want to go back to the land of Flash for many reasons.
Haha! The dictator reference is specifically in regards to intrusive CPU/battery-wasting Javascript ads. Which, I expect to see many more of if I ever disable adblock.
Edit: I just checked out your article and the referenced one. Chris Black responded to your issue with his code in the follow up article:
> 98% of the code optimizations from the last demo completely missed the point of purposefully redrawing the whole screen to compare performance. They were still good submissions, just not for the context of this comparison.
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flash's speed on desktops is not the main strike against it, although it was actually quite bad for many things (the 3d stuff worked better for it because it bypassed its aging 2d rendering engine which no-one left at Adobe understood or could fix). Flash's speed on mobile was abysmal and Adobe tried and failed to fix it for years (after Steve Jobs' famously pointed all this stuff out). The fact that Flash would stor…
> Flash's speed on desktops is not the main strike against it Flash's speed on windows wasn't the main strike against it. As a Mac user it was always quite slow, even worse in the PPC days.
I didn't notice any drastic difference between the two operating systems in that regard. I had to test educational software written in Flash on a range of computer systems years ago. Adobe has always supported Apple/Windows evenly, so I'm surprised you would experience a difference.
Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flash is a closed source binary plugin with a long history of security vulnerabilities that Adobe was slow to patch. For the most part, JavaScript engines are open source, don't have a history of security vulnerabilities (to the same severity), and are typically patched quickly.
Here is a 2014 vulnerability report of Secunia: https://secunia.com/resources/vulnerability-review/update-al... Google Chrome is at the top with most vulnerabilities, IE a bit below it, Avant browser, Firefox. Same with the 2015 edition. Flash didn't even make it in the top 20. And yes, they also evaluated it.
You can't compare counts of published vulnerabilities when organizations have vastly different standards of publication. Open source projects (e.g. Firefox, chromium) publish everything, even internally found flaws. Closed-source projects tend to publish only those reported by external reporters, not ones they found internally. At least one hopes they are also fixing lots of internal bugs! They might not be, in which case a low vulnerability count could actually mean they've got lots of unfixed vulnerabilities.
What about attacks found in the wild? Flash takes the cake there, although that may in part mean its ubiquity makes it a useful target.
In any case you can't use Flash to browse the web. You are already taking on the risk of whatever vulnerabilities lurk in your chosen browser; using Flash is adding vulnerability risk on top.