They have no evidence the guy actually aided a criminal yet he's facing jail. Is America the only first world country where such an extraordinary thing is possible?
Probably not.
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean? He knowingly helped two undercover agents lie who disclosed crimes to him. One that supposedly smuggled drugs and another who touched a 14 year old. If he immediately severed contact when they confessed to these crimes he would be free. If you are doing something in a gray area make sure you dont make mistakes. Here is the witness tampering law: "(c) Whoever corruptly—... (2) otherwise obstructs, in…
"He knowingly helped two undercover agents lie who disclosed crimes to him." What crimes?
Read the article. If you dont understand why then talk to a Lawyer or a Judge.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Read the article. If you dont understand why then talk to a Lawyer or a Judge.
Or you could just explain what you are talking about.
First Crime: "On Oct. 15, 2012, Williams got a call from a man named Javier Domingo Castillo. He told Williams he was a Department of Homeland Security inspector who’d helped a friend smuggle cocaine into the country."
He helped him beat a lie detector test knowing that he committed a crime. Now I would assume being administering a lie detector test is a "preceding before an executive department."
From wikipedia on witness tampering (this is what he was charged with): "Witness tampering is the act of attempting to alter or prevent the testimony of witnesses within criminal or civil proceedings. Laws regarding witness tampering also apply to proceedings before Congress, executive departments, and administrative agencies."
Police in the US are allowed to lie or use deception to get someone to get a confession.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/6909121-Case-law-on-...
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#65I read that the data in the stolen OPM records also contains polygraph data.
I wonder that if, say the US would decide to retaliate and steal similar data from China, they would find records with I-Ching readings? :-)
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#66It seems to me that the intelligence communicate uses lie detectors less as tests for nefarious activities and more as personality tests. Let's assume that lie detectors actually work. To "pass" such a test you have to be reasonably certain about your answers. Have you ever passed information to the enemy: Yes/No? Is everything in your application truthful? Only some people can be completely secure about there answer…
Or perhaps they're just selecting people who are good at lying.
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#67If it is true that it's no better than a coin flip, shame on everyone for using it. And, the idea that a good citizen with a conscience will give a "bad" response easier than a hardened criminal certainly rings true.
Its not used for diagnostics, its used as an interrogation tool. The idea is that you grill someone much easier if they're connected to a strange machine that can seemingly read their thoughts. Decent article about this from 2000 here: http://www.salon.com/2000/03/02/polygraph/ Polygraphs don’t have to work to be a deterrent. People just have to believe that they work and can reveal whether they have committed crimes…
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "criticizing someone for taking a stupid action that a reasonable person could assume would end badly". Its her fault she got raped, she wore a SHORT SKIRT. Edit: fuck you.
People like you never seem to distinguish between (a) pointing out what is unreasonable/imprudent, and (b) claiming that a given misfortune was deserved. It would be comical if you weren't so unpleasant and rude.
"distinguish"
The subjectivity of this word amuses me to no end. I can distinguish whatever I want whenever I want, as long as facebook and twitter agree with me.
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People like you never seem to distinguish between (a) pointing out what is unreasonable/imprudent, and (b) claiming that a given misfortune was deserved. It would be comical if you weren't so unpleasant and rude.
"distinguish" The subjectivity of this word amuses me to no end. I can distinguish whatever I want whenever I want, as long as facebook and twitter agree with me.
So let me make sure I have this straight...
You don't believe there's a distinction to be made between "that was a bad idea with predictable consequences" and "he/she deserved [insert misfortune here]"?
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"distinguish" The subjectivity of this word amuses me to no end. I can distinguish whatever I want whenever I want, as long as facebook and twitter agree with me.
So let me make sure I have this straight... You don't believe there's a distinction to be made between "that was a bad idea with predictable consequences" and "he/she deserved [insert misfortune here]"?
I'm saying that the line that separates and moves whenever the internet twitter/facebook mob decides it does. The distinction is mob mentality. Hence my amusement.