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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#591

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Absolutely, lets throw away our sense of humor and wordplay because there are theoretically people that might be offended (maybe, kindof. You know. In theory.). (N.B. the people that seem to be offended so far are offended on other peoples behalf..) Isn't it way more offensive to assume that women are such dainty delicate creatures that like, they won't get the joke?

It's not about offending people. It's never about offending people. Plenty of people could have delightfully off-color senses of humor, love playing Cards Against Humanity, and still find this name highly problematic. It's actually about the signals that we send by using language closely associated with groups or attitudes that have long histories of excluding women or others from our culture and community. And just…

You are correct, it's about signaling. However, we have to think about whether one type of signaling should be privileged over another just by virtue of being particularly loud and obnoxious. (Note that this goes both ways).

The "right" of one type of signaling to suppress others is a privilege, after all.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#592
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So because I find words and actions that might belittle another person offensive, there's something wrong with me? What would you call me if I objected to a racist joke? Would you claim that I was somehow "whipped" by the targeted minority group? Considering the feelings of others is not a defect, it's part of our humanity.

using the word 'bro' doesn't belittle anybody. and if you objected to a racist joke, I would think you're a bitch but probably would politely ask you to leave my circle of friends.

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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#593
This is neat; I want[1] something similar for Go types as well.

For example, say I'm looking at godoc for http://godoc.org/go/build#Package and I see all these descriptive comments for the fields:

    type Package struct {
        Dir         string   // directory containing package sources
        Name        string   // package name
        Doc         string   // documentation synopsis
        ImportPath  string   // import path of package ("" if unknown)
        Root        string   // root of Go tree where this package lives
        SrcRoot     string   // package source root directory ("" if unknown)
        PkgRoot     string   // package install root directory ("" if unknown)
        BinDir      string   // command install directory ("" if unknown)
        Goroot      bool     // package found in Go root
        PkgObj      string   // installed .a file
        AllTags     []string // tags that can influence file selection in this directory
        ConflictDir string   // this directory shadows Dir in $GOPATH
    
        // Source files
        GoFiles        []string // .go source files (excluding CgoFiles, TestGoFiles, XTestGoFiles)
I'd love to see a random sample data of that type, e.g.:

    (*build.Package)(&build.Package{
        Dir:         (string)("/Users/Dmitri/Dropbox/Work/2013/GoLand/src/github.com/shurcooL/go/vcs"),
        Name:        (string)("vcs"),
        Doc:         (string)("Package for getting status of a repo under vcs."),
        ImportPath:  (string)("github.com/shurcooL/go/vcs"),
        Root:        (string)("/Users/Dmitri/Dropbox/Work/2013/GoLand"),
        SrcRoot:     (string)("/Users/Dmitri/Dropbox/Work/2013/GoLand/src"),
        PkgRoot:     (string)("/Users/Dmitri/Dropbox/Work/2013/GoLand/pkg"),
        BinDir:      (string)("/Users/Dmitri/Dropbox/Work/2013/GoLand/bin"),
        Goroot:      (bool)(false),
        PkgObj:      (string)(""),
        AllTags:     ([]string)([]string{}),
        ConflictDir: (string)(""),
        GoFiles: ([]string)([]string{
            (string)("git.go"),
            (string)("hg.go"),
            (string)("vcs.go"),
        }),
(A couple of them, putting the most commonly occurring samples on top, etc.)

Perhaps Sourcegraph will offer something like this in the future.

[1] Well, I'm slowly working on achieving this myself in my spare time.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#594

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"Lighten up" doesn't solve anything. I'm not against jokes but the implying man in man pages means male and not an abbreviation of manual is exclusionary. http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/

On the other hand, taking everything so seriously can make the situation worse. I'm a woman in tech, and I don't want the men in tech to feel like they have to walk around on eggshells so as not to offend me. I think that the name "bro pages" is kind of funny, for what it's worth, and all of the protest against the name is the only thing making me uncomfortable.

I'm a woman in tech, and I don't give a shit if men feel like they have to walk on eggshells around me - but as far as I know it's never happened anyway, so I kind of suspect that the whole problem of 'but I'm so scared of saying something wrong to a woman!' is mostly just something people say on the internet.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#595
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Great idea. Never been a fan of the whole bro thing, but I say keep the name. If the women want a 'sister pages', let them make it.

> bro alias #An alias lets you create a shortcut name for a command alias sister=bro > sister alias #An alias lets you create a shortcut name for a command alias sister=bro >

It would need to be a full fork to work. Otherwise it's still deriving its identity from the default.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#596
post #408

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The behavior here is only exclusionary if people feel excluded by it, so the legitimacy of your concerns is based in how women (in this case) feel. If you can't find a person who thinks he/she is being discriminated against here, you're obviously tilting at windmills.

the legitimacy of your concerns is based in how women (in this case) feel. If you can't find a person who thinks he/she is being discriminated against here, you're obviously tilting at windmills. Now what you're presenting me with is a proposition that if "X" is false, then I should reconsider my belief that "Y" is true. So before I give this further thought, let me call your bet: Will you in turn agree that if "X" t…

> only to hear you mansplain to me that well

Nice, you just ruined any legitimacy your argument may have had by using the word 'mansplain'. You can't argue against potentially sexist or othering words by using a deliberately sexist, othering word.

Note that any attempts to explain why 'mansplaining' should be accepted despite its sexist, othering connotations will also apply to words such as 'bro'.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#597
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post #509

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You rang? I normally avoid commenting on crap like this because people like you are a pain to talk to, but since you seem to want to take advantage of me not engaging with people like you to argue that I don't exist... hi, I exist. Now please stop it with that terrible argument.

I would probably not have put it like this, but me too..

Honestly, if I were in a better mood today I'd probably put it differently, but this thread...

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#598
post #362

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So because I find words and actions that might belittle another person offensive, there's something wrong with me? What would you call me if I objected to a racist joke? Would you claim that I was somehow "whipped" by the targeted minority group? Considering the feelings of others is not a defect, it's part of our humanity.

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It looks like a lot of people only know the word "bro" through the brogrammer thing.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#599

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Who are these vocal misogynists in this industry? I've never heard of them or seen them...

Then you haven't worked on my current team. I used to cringe on a daily basis for the one woman on the team, until she left. They think they're being funny, and they think they are somehow "standing up" for their right not to be P.C. I honestly don't know if they know or intend their tone to be bullying. This comment is a binding site for the following comment-pattern: It's Your Job To Stand Up To Them.

Maybe the correct solution would be to do more than just cringe? If you did indeed confront them, then I apologise for assuming otherwise, but it seems to be the case that there's an awful lot of posturing as a warrior for social justice on HN, yet very little actual, difficult, real-life work towards any social justice causes.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

#600
This whole thread is silly.

The "Bro" has nothing to do with brogrammer or that misogynist culture. It's a pun on "man" pages.

And most people in tech who use the term bro are not referring to the brogrammer culture. They're using the bro slang popularized by MMORPGs/MOBAs/4chan/internet memes, since like World of Warcraft 2004.

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