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Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by tcfhgj »

superze wrote: post #557
voidnullvalue wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Codeberg isn't a viable infrastructure alternative. Its an opinionated community not a neutral host as they will delete repos based off subjective opinions on LLM usage and resource consumption. If continued hosting is dependent on moderators deciding if a project fits whatever the current philosophy is, and the whims of the moderation team, then I cannot consider it a serious choice for infrastructure. Infrastructur…

Sounds more like a cult rather than a social club.

actually it's a democracy

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by creato »

artyom wrote: post #481
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #398

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I just use GitHub for the basics: repo hosting, reviews and actions - what are the "social media psyop manipulations"? I've never really paid much attention to the other features.

It's good you can isolate yourself from it. But there's plenty of cases. Open source maintainers being harassed or being demanded work through Github's issues. Or being feed AI slop to review endlessly. Or recruiters filtering resumes via Github activity graphs or repository stars. And obviously the side shady market of all of the above (e.g. buying/selling popularity). Like the parent comment, I can't wait for socia…

None of this is specific to GitHub. The exact same problems will sometimes happen any time users and developers communicate, which is a basic requirement of developing useful software. I doubt GitHub issues are worse than mailing lists or any other mechanism.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by sebmellen »

nrabulinski wrote: post #574
sebmellen wrote: post #540

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How complex is the CI migration? We’re heavily dependent on GitHub Actions and the full GitHub ecosystem by extension, but by the same token these frequent outages are destroying us.

Forgejo actions are by design compatible with GHA. Obviously if you still depend on github to get reusable actions you’re just as dependent on GitHub being up as ever, but you can very easily migrate or mirror GitHub repositories to your forgejo instance and in most cases migrating the CI requires close to no changes. Not all features are supported, but I haven’t had the need to make any changes to my actions, and th…

How about ticketing? We use Linear and their integration with GitHub is pretty buttery. Willing to give it up for better service stability, but wondering if Forgejo offers any kind of native ticketing integrations. I know GitLab does, but I'm not massively impressed with GitLab either.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by fn-mote »

phtrivier wrote: post #178
ieie3366 wrote: post #100

To everyone who is angry: calm down. Github’s servers are constantly on fire as their usage increased something like 50x due to LLM sloppers pushing large amounts of trash code Unless you have a emergency hotfix (you don’t), go hit the gym or walk outside. If a work tool going down triggers you enough mentally to start angrily ranting online, it’s a sign you need to chill out and focus more on your health

I understand the need to level-head the discussion and calming everyone. However, your "(you don't)" comment is not going to calm down all the people, who, you know, DO have a hotfix to push now, and DO have an angry customer that could not care less for which part of our infrastructure is breaking _their_ workflow. The only things would calm everyone down is guarantee that Microsoft would be paying for _our_ SLA bre…

It's past time to move your critical infrastructure off Github then, no?

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by zoobab »

hliyan wrote: post #292
Arubis wrote: post #99

This is starting to feel like Twitter. For a variety of reasons, we had a centralized place where everyone of a particular set of persuasions could connect, and this had outsize benefits for the community as a whole. That place is becoming untenable, and with the loss of goodwill and stability, the community’s started to dissipate. But there isn’t one obvious transition candidate, so the diaspora is finding itself sp…

"Protocols, not platforms" should have remained the philosophy of the Internet. Alas, we are here.

"Protocols" now that everything has been moved to a master-slave protocol (HTTP), we are all slaves of the masters.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by threetonesun »

akmarinov wrote: post #174
s_dev wrote: post #145

I recall reading years ago that cloud services were expected to run with a reliability of 3 or 4 '9's and that if they didn't competing services would quickly overtake them in adoption. The industry was supposed to be that cut throat. Has big tech reached a similar status like banks in that they are "too big to fail" i.e. when they do fail we all just look the other way and say: "well everyone else is out too". Didn'…

Competing services can't afford the data storage to compete with Big tech

This is the important part, we've moved away from monopolies on software to creating a vertical stack that allows a few companies to corner all cloud hardware, which let's them prevent anyone from competing on both price AND scale.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by nemomarx »

creato wrote: post #592
artyom wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good you can isolate yourself from it. But there's plenty of cases. Open source maintainers being harassed or being demanded work through Github's issues. Or being feed AI slop to review endlessly. Or recruiters filtering resumes via Github activity graphs or repository stars. And obviously the side shady market of all of the above (e.g. buying/selling popularity). Like the parent comment, I can't wait for socia…

None of this is specific to GitHub. The exact same problems will sometimes happen any time users and developers communicate, which is a basic requirement of developing useful software. I doubt GitHub issues are worse than mailing lists or any other mechanism.

They almost have to be - which users will be able to get to your issues page and which will be able to find a mailing list? You'll have a much more selective audience in the latter

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by nullify88 »

946789987649 wrote: post #576
nullify88 wrote: post #537

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GitHub Enterprise Cloud has been chugging along with no issues. I hope your critical infrastructure isn't dependent on a free tier / service. And that you have a business continuity process in place.

Are you sure? We have enterprise and I couldn't even access our repo briefly.

We have data residency in the EU and didn't notice anything.
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