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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by inigyou »

like_any_other wrote: post #552
inigyou wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half the laws people are complaining about are literally this although instead of a checkbox, it asks you for the birth date of a hypothetical child whose protection you want the device to match. And they don't use a government whitelist, but expect sites to self-declare and reserve the right to take action against sites that use misleading classification.

I.e. they establish the framework for censorship and deanonymization by making everyone else responsible for child-safety, except the person that should be setting up the parental controls - all they get to do is select a "child" or "not child" option. The law doesn't require they be given any control besides that - no default whitelist of apps and websites that they could edit, no blacklist, no screen time limits, n…

Why would you make John Smith responsible for what Mark Zuckerberg displays to Jimmy Smith?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by Fidelix »

inigyou wrote: post #589
like_any_other wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK arrests were also for stickers with: slogans such as “Reject white guilt”, “Nationalism is nurture”, “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066” and “Diversity – designed to fail, built to replace” - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/16/uk-man-with-... "Stirring up racial hatred", even merely possessing material that could do so, is a crime in the UK: https://www.thelawpages.com/criminal-offence…

ok good. Except for the viewing thing. That one is crazy. Most of what you described is just disinformation though and I'm fine with the UK taking a different approach than the US.

That's fine, then there is no need to lie like you did.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by Tangurena2 »

ColdStream wrote: post #313
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #284

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No ID checks at clubs, bars, or other adults-only venues. No school zone speed limits, or protected crossings on streets near schools. No requirements for railings on public balconies, fencing around public pools, protective covers over drains or other holes in the ground. Parents/guardians can just supervise. Sounds great!

While what you say seem intuitive, it is missing one point. Those locations probably are not recording exactly who is coming and going and what they are saying/doing. That is where this become more than just gate keeping and becomes full on tracking.

When venues (bars, clubs, supermarkets) scan your ID, they are scanning the barcode on the back.

For details of what is stored on that barcode:

https://www.aamva.org/getmedia/99ac7057-0f4d-4461-b0a2-3a553...

What's on passports and some identity docs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-readable_passport

There have been many cases where clubs stored the documents scanned which were then hacked. Or where club/bar staff used the scanned/stored documents to stalk attractive women.

Sample:

https://www.theverge.com/tech/947157/passports-data-breach-c...

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by scandals »

inigyou wrote: post #557
gorgoiler wrote: post #289

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If we’re talking 80s, a better comparison would be He-Man . The FTC let the free-market run riot with children’s TV. Shows used commercials to push expensive plastic toys. The shows themselves became commercials for their associated product lines. Parents felt unable to resist the social pressure channeled through their children and congress eventually passed an act that let the FCC reign in the FTC’s damage. In the…

Unrelated, but He-Man is the funniest name ever, and I can't wait for the gender roles people to come out with some series called He-Man and She-Woman.

You haven't played Fire-boy and Water-girl?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by scandals »

ColdStream wrote: post #321
iamnothere wrote: post #172

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There is a term for this: a moral panic. Believe it or not, sometimes the best answer is to do nothing until the crowd moves on to the next panic, as with the “Satanic Panic” in the 1980s. Turns out D&D was not actually a gateway to Satan worship.

If D&D didn't lead you to Satan, you were playing it wrong. ;)

I guess he is the ultimate Dungeon Master

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by like_any_other »

inigyou wrote: post #589
like_any_other wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK arrests were also for stickers with: slogans such as “Reject white guilt”, “Nationalism is nurture”, “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066” and “Diversity – designed to fail, built to replace” - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/16/uk-man-with-... "Stirring up racial hatred", even merely possessing material that could do so, is a crime in the UK: https://www.thelawpages.com/criminal-offence…

ok good. Except for the viewing thing. That one is crazy. Most of what you described is just disinformation though and I'm fine with the UK taking a different approach than the US.

> Most of what you described is just disinformation though

“We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066” is accurate: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/white-briton...

Burning the Koran is not a statement of fact, so it cannot be disinformation.

"young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs" is also accurate (though the precise number is contentious, mostly because the police turned a blind eye, or even actively aided the gangs): https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britains-grooming-gang-scandal-rep...

So can you be more specific in what you were referring to as being "disinformation"?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by happymellon »

andrepd wrote: post #586
mancerayder wrote: post #581

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There are people in the replies below going back and forth about whether the US or the UK started the surveillance state first. I think as undemocratic as the US can behave in practice, it's hard not to argue that the UK won the CCTV surveillance race. London is heavily surveilled. And it doesn't help that someone just posted this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49255496

Hard not to argue in what metric? The US has Flock cameras spreading like the plague, if we're going purely based on vibes. And the Snowden disclosures about how they spy on their own citizens on a massive scale is over a decade old at this point. Plus, a city covered in CCTV could theoretically be freer than one with much less coverage, if those cameras are recording to encrypted storage and accessible only with a j…

You missed out that 40% of US household have a video doorbell, 50% of which are Ring.

I find that all the metrics about CCTV very misleading, and the whole thing seems to be to distract that the article is blaming the UK for actions of the US and US based companies.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by codedokode »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #565
codedokode wrote: post #480

Here's my idea how "safe mode" might be implemented without selfie, passport and without every app or website owner having to spend money on compliance. The mobile and desktop OS should have a checkbox "child mode" in the onboarding stage. Switching device to "child mode" allows only installing white-listed apps from the government list and opening white-listed websites from the government list. Parents may edit the…

So under your proposal, all checks would happen exclusively on the end-user device. Websites would do absolutely no age checking, nor would they get any kind of signed certificate from end-user devices vouching for the user's age. Am I understanding this correctly? Would this not immediately lead to demands for hardware makers to prevent the installation of non-compliant operating systems?

White-listed sites could report the content rating (for example in HTTP headers) and the browser in "child mode" would refuse to display non-appropriate content. Lack of the header means that content is for adults only (unless parents manually white list the site). Also, websites could use different domain for "child mode" version.

> Would this not immediately lead to demands for hardware makers to prevent the installation of non-compliant operating systems?

In child mode, yes, installation of any other OS (compliant or not) should be prevented.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by phatfish »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #524
watwut wrote: post #505

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No it did not. Online right wing is trying to push narrative that is all.

> No it did not. Online right wing is trying to push narrative that is all. It's sad that people don't see what's so obviously happening in the uk. Censorship is alive and well in the uk, and there are plans afoot to further the control of the online world.

The online world is trash, democracy existed before the internet and it will exist after it becomes an AI slop playground. If you are worried age gates tracking you just speak to people in the real world?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by cs02rm0 »

happymellon wrote: post #433

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the war on anonymity was first (just) passed in the US at a state level as porn laws before it passed in the UK. Are we pretending that the porn id laws weren't a first attempt at getting forums like Reddit that might "accidentally" have naked pictures liable and therefore profile everyone? Because this is leaning on blaming to UK for everything the US is doing to itself an awful lot…

I think it's appeared everywhere all at once. It's not the UK alone, or the US.
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