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Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by pandaman »

estearum wrote: post #590
pandaman wrote: post #588

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"Sorry but you are naive beyond words" that made me actually chuckle, coming from you. I am really done with your fantasies, you obviously have no clue how voting registration works (you are not required to live at your registered address for example) and what "checks" are in place yet imagined yourself an authority on the subject. It's so ignorant that makes me think you have not voted in the US and project your hom…

Pandaman, 9 days ago: "When I moved to the US..." ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406788 ) Talk about projection, lmfao! Not even here long enough to prevent your weird writing quirks from revealing that you're a foreigner, and yet comfortable implying some strange nationalist superiority to a native-born American. Beyond parody. Are people from your country unable to answer simple multiple-choice questions…

Nice redditing. Now I am 100% sure you are an H1B Indian who cannot imagine people can naturalize because it never happens to them.

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by estearum »

pandaman wrote: post #591
estearum wrote: post #590

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Pandaman, 9 days ago: "When I moved to the US..." ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406788 ) Talk about projection, lmfao! Not even here long enough to prevent your weird writing quirks from revealing that you're a foreigner, and yet comfortable implying some strange nationalist superiority to a native-born American. Beyond parody. Are people from your country unable to answer simple multiple-choice questions…

Nice redditing. Now I am 100% sure you are an H1B Indian who cannot imagine people can naturalize because it never happens to them.

Lmfao you think naturalizing makes you no longer a foreigner?

How is it that you're immediately detectable as not-American on a messaging board then?

Hint: It's the low-trust third-worlder attitude, which unfortunately the legal process of naturalization doesn't always solve.

Hilariously, your allegation of me being a foreigner was the nail in the coffin, as any actual American would know they can have disagreements on stuff like this without accusing the other of being a foreigner. But, being what... Russian? Georgian? Israeli? Obviously everything must be infused with an (unearned) nationalistic superiority haha.

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by cindyllm »

estearum wrote: post #580
pandaman wrote: post #565

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Now you are just saying "illegal voting can be detected in this scheme even though I don't know how". Very smart!

You seem very confused. Here's how it's detected: "There are 1000 ballots from this one address that has never had more than 3 ballots sent from it. We should look it up in our GIS and tax records and see how many people reside there. We should also make sure that the affiliated registrations are fully documented as having individual residencies there from e.g. their drivers licenses or utility bills at time of regis…

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Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by hang_semaphor_3 »

Semaphor wrote: post #547
sofixa wrote: post #542

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Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight.

> Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight. Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, it’s "better for the party". Our new Nazi party in Germany (AfD) even said something like that openly.

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Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by cindyllm »

hang_semaphor_3 wrote: post #594
Semaphor wrote: post #547

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> Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight. Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, it’s "better for the party". Our new Nazi party in Germany (AfD) even said something like that openly.

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Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by inigyou »

Guvante wrote: post #581
inigyou wrote: post #573

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> in your example no one agreed to the contract which means no agreement exists. ??? you agreed to it by registering a .at domain. There was probably some fine print at your registrar which says you agree with the registry policies

My bad I meant original example. I agree the "you agreed to auto renewal" silliness happens everywhere. Likely the difference is court costs.

Original example would be legal. If they say "send us money to accept this offer" and you send them money, then you accept that offer.

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by pandaman »

estearum wrote: post #592
pandaman wrote: post #591

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Nice redditing. Now I am 100% sure you are an H1B Indian who cannot imagine people can naturalize because it never happens to them.

Lmfao you think naturalizing makes you no longer a foreigner? How is it that you're immediately detectable as not-American on a messaging board then? Hint: It's the low-trust third-worlder attitude, which unfortunately the legal process of naturalization doesn't always solve. Hilariously, your allegation of me being a foreigner was the nail in the coffin, as any actual American would know they can have disagreements…

Sorry, I did not consider another explanation for your ignorance about voting. You are just under 18! This explains your behavior much better. Apologies to Indians.

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by BobaFloutist »

ghaff wrote: post #575
kccqzy wrote: post #462

An earlier article on the same blog had some very useful information on how easily the aggregated census data from 2010 (before differential privacy) could be used to reconstruct real data for individuals: https://desfontain.es/blog/us-census-reconstruction-attack.h... I am personally convinced that the reason noise infusion was banned was because powerful people were already reconstructing individual data from censu…

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole on re-indentification a while back related to a research journal I was helping with and some presentations I was giving. One of the things I ran across was how easy it was to de-anonymize healthcare records from way less information than one might assume.

I really feel like the first step here should be to make deanonymization illegal. Obviously it wouldn't fix everything, but there's a bit of an implicit breach of contract if people are promised their data is anonymous, but then it's sold to someone else who breaks that, but as far as I can tell there's no law against what's pretty clearly a violation of the premise under which the data was allowed to be collected.

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by Dig1t »

Sabinus wrote: post #481
throwawa1 wrote: post #405

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It has everything to do with it. Some will receive amnesty (Reagan did it). Most will have kids, the kids will grow up with a different set of values and they will vote differently than native populations. They will vote outside of the national interest. I am not talking about Republican or Democrat. Whether English, Japanese, Australian, American, German, whatever the population being replaced with outsiders. Less u…

What would you do about the birth rate? How will you support the boomers retirement?

Do what Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and China are doing: just let it fall, it will eventually bounce back. Boomers will be fine.

Replacing your entire culture and people doesn’t really fix the problem, it just permanently changes your country to be more like Africa, Mexico, India, etc.

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Post by dctoedt »

rayiner wrote: post #302
estearum wrote: post #288

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Yes, more people should vote. Always funny when Trumpers try to this out as a gotcha lmao. As a believer in democracy, I think it's better that our government is more responsive rather than less responsive to the public.

High turnout brings out the low-information voters and changes the composition of the viable coalition for both parties. If we restricted the franchise, we might be able to sustain something closer to the Romney GOP versus the Mayor Pete Democratic Party. And that would make the government a lot more orderly and competent. I doubt the top 10-20% of either side wants a democracy. The difference is in where we want the…

> a fairly narrow class of credentialed bureaucrats, entry into which is gatekept by elite universities and professional organizations.

Now take the next step: Explicitly state, and then defend, your implied premise, namely that it's bad to be governed by people who, from education and experience, have come to know something about their subject areas — and that we should be happy to invite the ignorant, the misguided, and the charlatan to exercise power and authority.

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