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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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I feel this and as a German company, we have our stuff hosted in the EU. But where it becomes pointless to have the host in the EU, is when Cloudflare is a requirement. Since we expose ourselfs through their certificate, we might as well host with a US company. And I’m not aware of a EU Cloudflare competitor with similar WAF offering.

I would try Myra. They are based in Munich.

Their pricing shows me “starts at 399€/month”, that’s insane. CF Pro is 25$/month.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Trump 2 is worse than Trump 1 by far from EU perspective. And it also proved that it wasn't a once-off that Americans will vote in someone who threatens to dismantle NATO, invade Greenland, or start trade wars with allies for no reason.

Let's face it. Trump 2 is about dismantling democracy. The administration radiates hostility and aggression to anything democratic. In the new national security policy the EU is the adversary of the US. If that isn't a wake-up call.

Disenfranchised people wanting the system to crash and burn is nothing new.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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>it is going to be translated into laws soon enough (i.e. governments mandate data sovereignty) The laws are already there. That's my point.

There are no laws that force companies to store all (generic) data in Europe. If there were then the companies asking about migrations just now would already be in breach. You’re probably thinking of PII (GDPR/EUDPR) and even there there are plenty of loopholes, creative interpretations, and “privacy shields”. The push for sovereignty doesn’t just come from regulators, it comes from the companies themselves who lost…

Not generic data, no. But there are laws for government data afaik.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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European-based alternative to github : https://codeberg.org/ The hub for european alternatives : https://european-alternatives.eu/

Not quite, Codeberg is for FOSS only. A full alternative to GitHub is self-hosting Forgejo until a good commercial deployment of it appears.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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European-based alternative to github : https://codeberg.org/ The hub for european alternatives : https://european-alternatives.eu/

I'll preface this with a statement that as a European I want European alternatives to succeed, and MS-owned GitHub to shrivel and disappear. But in case anyone from Codeberg reads this, IMO landing and signup pages need a lot of improvements: > Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led effort that provides services to free and open-source projects, such as Git hosting (using Forgejo) OK, so do I register for Codeberg o…

Codeberg is not a commercial product, they've got a mission to provide a forge for active FOSS contributors, not to increase conversion rates. Reducing friction would be nice, that much is good feedback, but their target user is probably picking between them or self-hosting, so fixing half of these isn't urgent. As for the other half:

> OK, so do I register for Codeberg or Forgejo? [...] Do I care it's Forgejo?

If you don't know what Forgejo is or that you can't register for Forgejo, you probably aren't their target user.

> "Software development, but free!" Free is the biggest selling point?

If you don't get which meaning of free is used here, you definitely aren't their target user.

> Why no screenshots of the Codeberg (Forgejo?) UI / wowing me with features? (None on the Forgejo homepage either)

If you've never interacted with an existing Forgejo instance before (including theirs), you probably aren't their target user, again.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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there is no digital sovereignty in european cloud. first they would bow down to any bigger instance of power that ask for their data and being smaller companies than azure aws gcp they wouldnt have the firepower to fight back against governments. Like this one : https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2025/11/27/canadian-dat...

second, europe has the most digitally agressive roadmap in the democratic world right now. they plan to ban vpn, enforce agressive data laws that give full power to authorities and gov to extract legally your data from your "sovereign cloud", remove anonymity from the web, enforce a cashless distopia where they can track everything and block you from using your own cash, punish you with laws against hate speech where governements decide what they define as hate speech depending on who is in power.

finally for his choices. Mistral while riding the european sovereignity wave is in fact an american owned company with european founders and the french gov trying to kill anything that they dont like touching Mistral.

OVH while a good company is definitly not providing US cloud-level data resiliency and recent events are pretty worrisome from data loss fire and hacks on customer data

Proton, maybe the only company that ever looked for sovereignity is thinking about leaving switzerland due to these opressive laws.https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

also he kept the only company that is vibecoding in prod (cloudflare) and proud of it while laying off people based on the ai-religion.

It is like he made all the wrong choice if his goal was like he says to own his data and know "where is the data"

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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I started the process of this back in January and now, at least in terms of product hosting; fully migrated into European infrastructure ( https://bannermedia.ltd ). It didn't come without a bit of pain, but glad I've done it - and to come with this I've ended up building a whole terraform setup for cross provider / cross region high availability within Europe. So far my key mappings included: - Cloudflare -> Bunny C…

Instead of Hetzner, I found UpCloud to be a great EU alternative. Reliable, cheap and supportive.

How's the Object Storage support? did you have any issues? Hetzner looks more stable now but I had a lot of issues with S3 compatible storage a while ago... Almost made me change everything. If you're willing or able to share of course..

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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I'll preface this with a statement that as a European I want European alternatives to succeed, and MS-owned GitHub to shrivel and disappear. But in case anyone from Codeberg reads this, IMO landing and signup pages need a lot of improvements: > Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led effort that provides services to free and open-source projects, such as Git hosting (using Forgejo) OK, so do I register for Codeberg o…

Codeberg is not a commercial product, they've got a mission to provide a forge for active FOSS contributors, not to increase conversion rates. Reducing friction would be nice, that much is good feedback, but their target user is probably picking between them or self-hosting, so fixing half of these isn't urgent. As for the other half: > OK, so do I register for Codeberg or Forgejo? [...] Do I care it's Forgejo? If yo…

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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>I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before Its not about public opinion, but rather data sovereignty requirements. Certain types of data must be processed within servers located in the EU, regardless of where the company's HQ is. That's why you see most SaaS platforms nowadays offer a EU-only version.

And then you've got a country like the US introducing the CLOUD Act, which "allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil." In other words: physical location isn't enough, the company's HQ being in the US is in itself already a massive risk. The big Ame…

You mean like EU Chat Control?
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