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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by sumeno »

ex-aws-dude wrote: post #590
sandeepkd wrote: post #376

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My assumption is that a lot of these checks and changes lately are not well though out. They are knee jerk reaction to address something which was not anticipated in the original design. A lot of these changes to address scaling and abuse challenges probably fall into bucket of applying bandages on top of bandages. Maybe if Claude could build something to validate the baseline quality of the product to ensure these t…

Why does it seems like they do everything so hacky

They're the poster child for what eventually happens when you just vibe code everything

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by tempaccount5050 »

ajam1507 wrote: post #529
davesque wrote: post #391

A lot of the comments here are reacting to the censorship aspect, which is obviously an important point. But the more interesting subtext to me is that I feel like this gives insight into the situation within the company. I'm assuming they wouldn't do something like this unless the recent load issues (mostly driven by OpenClaw usage) were seen as an existential threat. So I'm guessing that's how the leadership views…

> I'm assuming they wouldn't do something like this unless the recent load issues (mostly driven by OpenClaw usage) were seen as an existential threat. I think another possibility is that they are trying to shift the burden of OpenClaw to their competitors.

I think this makes sense. I don't understand what problem OpenClaw is solving or what the use case is other than just burning a shit ton of tokens.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by Dylan16807 »

waych wrote: post #341
petercooper wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used the term "smuggling" in the casual sense of hiding something. I have edited it to "place such identifiers surreptitiously" to avoid making whatever implication appears to have been taken.

In the real world, leaving booby traps out that can harm others including the innocent are a liability and regularly a crime in itself. I wonder how long these sorts of games will play before the law applies itself.

This is a lot closer to a painting of a poop emoji than a booby trap.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by monkpit »

rsoto2 wrote: post #586
giancarlostoro wrote: post #441

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You don't even need to put it in a project, put it in all your blog posts as invisible (white font white background) text, and if Claude winds up reading your website as part of a research task, you basically bricked someone's Claude session. Why is it amateur hour at Anthropic lately?

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I suddenly feel compelled to post about openclaw

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ehnto »

biztos wrote: post #581
bryanhogan wrote: post #56

Claude.ai is now at a 98.85% uptime. There's been so many frustrations with Claude / Anthropic lately (very heavy usage limits, wrong A / B testing, etc.). Claude status: https://status.claude.com/ I have been really happy with my Codex subscription lately, but feels like these things change every other day. The OpenCode Go subscription for trying out GLM, Kimi, Qwen, Deepseek and friends also looks useful. But nonet…

The "nines" measure of uptime is not some divine law. Even 80% Claude uptime would still be great value for money. You just need to have some idea of what to do when your frontier model is not available. Use Qwen? Read the code you've been generating? Multi-model coding tools seem like the obvious, sane path forward, but the Will to Lockin is strong.

Generally speaking I think we should expect better.

But it did remind me of how Japanese websites sometimes have opening hours. The website shows a closed status page during the out if hours time.

Which I think makes some sense for some services for two reasons: your customers build habits and expectations around available service hours, and that in turn gives you regular maintenance windows that can accommodate large impactful changes.

It is one of the reasons a 24/hr public transit network doesn't make complete sense. You shouldn't disrupt a service because people come to rely on it, but you can't disrupt a service you never provided in the first place.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by orbisvicis »

antonvs wrote: post #528
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #523

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Yeah, I feel that. The ageism in tech probably has something to do with it. When I see some of these brobdingnagian disasters, I always wonder if there were any adults in the room, when the idea was greenlighted.

Ageism is definitely part of it, but most people just don't seem to care to learn in general, and of course the incentives are against it. They'd rather treat the general version of Greenspun's 10th rule as a commandment, and create a new, ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of some fraction of whatever already addresses the requirement, than learn about how to use some existing tool that th…

I had to implement a subset of postfix because security wouldn't greenlight any MTAs (or third-party software for that matter)...

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by userbinator »

I am reminded of user-agent sniffing and the idiocy that created. One would hope that this leads to less self-identifying overall. At this point it looks less like a cat-and-mouse game but more like a cat-and-cat game, but all the cats are equally retarded. I suppose it makes for good entertainment for the rest of us who don't need to use, and now have another reason not to start using, all this AI stuff.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

superfrank wrote: post #201
g4cg54g54 wrote: post #60

same vain as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47952722 ? HERMES.md in commit messages causes requests to route to extra usage billing 1203 points | 21 hours ago | 524 comments @bcherny well need a bit more than a "Fixed" here... https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/53262#issue...

I mentioned it in that thread, but when the HERMES bug was first reported multiple people on Reddit claimed that it could also be triggered with openclaw specific file names. It makes me think that instead of going just saying, "this approach for defending against 3rd party oauth isn't working" and rolling things back, they just tried to fix forward and continue with the strategy

Sounds exactly like the approach you would get with uncritically applying any suggestion that Claude came up with.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by monkpit »

ransom1538 wrote: post #555
ifwinterco wrote: post #273

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At this point everyone doing these kind of flows (using claws or any other flows that run agents in a loop 24/7) using any kind of subscription-based billing for inference must be aware they're on borrowed time. Enough people have gone over the economics - you're costing OpenAI/Anthropic money, potentially a lot of money, so it's inevitable that sooner or later that particular party will come to an end. Having said t…

Oh it's way worse than people realize. The monthly vs api keys is a huge issue for them. They will have to end monthly subscription plans. You can pay $20 a month and use $10k in api tokens. They are in all out panic trying to fix this. But yes, the house of cards is ending. The company ending part is when they have to cut the $20 a month plan and take things away. They are creating a massive group of coders that can…

> You can pay $20 a month and use $10k in api tokens.

Do you have a source? I would be interested to read more about any hard figures that have been posted like this.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by jamwil »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #576
jamwil wrote: post #517

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Not when their customers are paying a flat rate subscription.

Is flat rate the best way to describe it when there's actually a few different tiers and each one has hard coded rate limits?

Within each tier, each marginal token is an expense with no marginal revenue to offset. So yes. The platonic ideal for any subscription business model is zero usage.
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