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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by saratogacx »

eviks wrote: post #525
nielsbot wrote: post #206

Does a native UI experience have no value these days? I mean--amazing achievement building an alternate GPU-accelerated UI framework from scratch, and I do love the responsiveness, but this leaves you with a non-native app that doesn't follow OS conventions and will not get appearance and behavior updates going forward without a lot of additional effort.

The value depends entirely on specific conventions, but you've mentioned none. There is also value in consistent UI across platforms (which native UI don't support) as for some conventions you'd prefer to ignore the OS defaults.

Not OP but I have a similar complaint.

The two primary OS items that turn me off of zed are not being able to have a title bar and the fact that menus open on hover and not on click.

VSCode, and IntelliJ let me turn on OS level title bars so I can handle the window without needing to try and find the magic spot not filled by some other app based nonsense as well as making it easier to see what window is active.

Menus can be unrolled from the hamburger but now pop open if I just swing my cursor through. I've no idea what convention that was pulled from but I think they just took the hamburger menu event triggers and left them as they were instead of changing them to act like an OS menu is expected to function.

I'm sure there are others that I'd find using the app but just those two was enough of a personal issue for me to just not bother.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by petre »

I've installed it from flatpak and it has improved somewhat but won't use it because it doesn't remember the window size and position. Resizing the window is a pain in the ass, the arrows don't show up until you match the border pixels and it doesn't even try to mimic the native UI stuff, uses round corners. Vertical resize doesn't work, it just moves the window up and down so you have to use the corner resize. Good luck doing that with round corners. If the editor doesn't start up as I've left it, then I'll keep using my pinned (because M$ like to randomly add annoying shit that breaks my workflow) VSCodium. Also, the "Sign in" drop down on the title bar. Sign in where? I don't want to sign in anywhere, let me remove that. Maybe keep the dropdown for the settings and other stuff a small icon in front of it and about "Sign in". That should be an entry in the dropdown menu, the last one on the list. In fact let me remove the widgets that I deem useless from the main UI just like the browsers do. I haven't even got to check if it has syntax highlighting for Perl, Ruby and Racket yet because these things annoyed me so much that I uninstalled it. Good stuff: one can disable AI and Git integration, athough I'd appreciate if the further options would just go away when you switched the whole thing off. Atom, Sublime and VSCode keymaps are also nice because I don't have to remap. Will check again at 1.5, I guess. At least it has improved somewhat since that last time I've tried it, I think 0.13 or so.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by zephod »

I tried Zed for a few days and loved it, but had to switch back to Cursor because I've become dependent on Cursor Tab.

The problem is that Cursor Tab seems kinda psychic, and I didn't realise how conditioned I'd become to just expressing a few keystrokes in the right place and have Tab pick up my intentions. If you're refactoring, you can move between files and it'll remember what you just did in a tab you just closed, and work out how to make the same changes here.

It's also really good at picking up patterns and the right imports from the whole repo. It seems to be working with a much larger, more persistent context.

I tried Zed AI, Copilot, and Mercury. All three seemed forgetful after a year of Cursor Tab. I wish there was a fix because literally everything else about Zed was an improvement.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by hackermanai »

nsm wrote: post #508
nielsbot wrote: post #206

Does a native UI experience have no value these days? I mean--amazing achievement building an alternate GPU-accelerated UI framework from scratch, and I do love the responsiveness, but this leaves you with a non-native app that doesn't follow OS conventions and will not get appearance and behavior updates going forward without a lot of additional effort.

If you are on macOS, there is https://nova.app/

And soon™, https://hackerman.ai/

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by psychoslave »

coldtea wrote: post #472
ricardobeat wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently on this machine: using 900MB of RAM, including all language servers, with nine open projects - that is pretty phenomenal. VSCode could barely keep one open with the same memory. The perception of 'fast' is very subjective. To me having a smooth, jitter-free UI, low input latency, and instant startup, all matter a lot.

It's amazing that a gig of ram is considered lightweight for having 8 project dirs open in an editor, which normally means 8 tree views and a few open file tabs per project :)

I’ll stick to my butterflies.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by hackermanai »

herf wrote: post #479

Any benchmarks? Scrolling is using 16% of my GPU (vs 5% in Sublime). Also things like mouse-down to activate a tab (vs mouse-up in Zed) make Sublime feel faster.

I recently tested input latency on Mac Mini M2 Pro, keypress to visible pixel (p95 value).

- Zed 36.8ms (26.3 avg) - Sublime 33.5ms (25.9 avg) - VSCode 31.7ms (20.6 avg) - Hackerman Text 15.3ms (12.5 avg)

All editors tested as stripped down as possible, minimal UI etc., empty file, no syntax highlighting. Mostly surprised by VSCode tbh.

Testing on sqlite3.c (with syntax highlighting): Zed 60.5ms, Sublime 37.1ms, VSCode 22.0ms, and Hackerman Text 18.4ms.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by f311a »

trymas wrote: post #584
f311a wrote: post #11

Too bad they did not include better search UI into this release. When you search, Zed opens a new tab, which I hate. Sometimes I just want to have a quick glance at some code and close the search using escape. Telescope style search in vim, helix or JetBrains tools is so much better. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/46478

Personally I don't hate tab. Sometimes even it's more convenient to have a tab on the side with all the state, instead of reopening modal. What I hate though is really unintuitive and "non-standard"[1] shortcuts in search tab. For example "find in project": cmd+shift+f Whereas for "find and replace in project" I'd expect: cmd+shift+r , but it's: first toggle find, then toggle find and replace. Ok, absolutely fine, bu…

They have presets from other IDEs and editors. I use a weird combination of Jetbrains and helix shortcuts with helix mode. Because I used them the most.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by drdaeman »

theteapot wrote: post #585
TiredOfLife wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zed literally downloads random executables and runs them by default without asking

What?! Really?! Link? I'm not a Zed user. That comment was based off a few minutes of research, and I guess a small dose hopium of a VSCode user and understanding what a shit show the extensions setup is and wanting someone to do better.

Yep, it pulls stuff from at least npm, it’s not a secret - check the source code.

Actually it pulls latest versions (checking registry then installing that exact version, not sure why they sidestep normal resolution algorithms) no matter what .npmrc may say, so min-release-age breaks almost everywhere it integrates with JS/TS ecosystem (most visibly, Copilot). I probably should’ve filed an issue.

It also installs Go packages but I haven’t looked into that.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by lukaslalinsky »

I'm really thankful for Zed. I claim it's a better VI successor than vim/neovim. The fact that it comes with batteries included is a huge win. Multi buffer is super useful. I'd prefer if it was NOT written like a game engine, not depend on GPU, but I can't have everything.
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