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I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by appsoftware »

bombcar wrote: post #134
rickdg wrote: post #48

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For years, Apple has muffled PWAs under a pillow. No one knows that you can add them to your homescreen or how that unlocks the possibility of getting push notifications. You also lose any stored data when you go from Safari to an homescreen web app.

How do you add them? I am using https://actualbudget.org as a Safari page, and it works surprisingly well when "off network" - but a button on the home screen would be nicer.

Like this apparently - in 6 steps. I have a PWA app planned, I was hoping I could write some easy instructions for each platform. There's likely to be some drop of with iOS though if the user has to navigate through all of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1nlwu0m/it_now_take...

It's anti-competitive for sure

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by bcjdjsndon »

leptons wrote: post #560
palata wrote: post #542

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> I'm not talking about making this a robust service that everyone can use Right. So you cannot do it. Thank you. > I'm also tired of this pointless internet interaction. Goodbye. Seems to me that you don't enjoy discussing with people who behave like jerks, which I admittedly did, just for you). You may not have realised it, but you started it. I am happy to disagree in a respectful tone, but you broke it first. May…

I'm tired of this pointless internet interaction. Goodbye.

You should go and make this trivial extension that hashes websites and see the idea doesn't even work conceptually, let alone technically

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

libria wrote: post #203
happyopossum wrote: post #32

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> your contacts, location. The whole buffet. It's not like an app is getting those without your knowledge, and many times it's useful for an app to have your contacts or location...

Not without my knowledge or your knowledge sure. But I'd bet there's significant percentage of the population who is tired of thinking about permission popups and just hit yes yes YES to get the App started. Especially if it forces retries before going forward. I think they're counting on these popups wearing people out. After GDPR made these incessant annoying cookie popups mandatory, I just robotically click any bu…

As has been said before, sites that don't use unnecessary cookies don't need to have a cookie banner. Having the banner is often just malicious compliance (or for a non-compliant one banner, maliciously non-compliant).

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by leptons »

armadyl wrote: post #445
leptons wrote: post #370

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>That the server can send you a backdoor every single time, made just for you, and nobody else will ever know? There is no "backdoor" when the browser is sandboxed. "backdoor" is a specific thing, I think you need to read up on it before you keep using it incorrectly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_(computing) >On the other hand, an app is sandboxed, too (on mobile OSes like Android and iOS). When you downloa…

AlBugdy and the person you are replying to are literally right re: server delivered backdoors. Using E2EE applications in a browser moves the trust back from the client to the server. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47664103 > That isn't how any of this works. The main value proposition of Signal is that we do trust its end-to-end encryption. Protonmail sending a "web page" that "leaks your key"? WTF? Yes and it…

>This is genuinely just not true, even if you click allow for all permissions on Android and iOS. An application on a non-rooted device doesn't have "full access."

You're wrong.

Facebook has been repeatedly accused and caught using unallowed, hidden, or deprecated APIs to bypass user privacy settings and platform restrictions, particularly on iOS and Android.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by LtWorf »

FabHK wrote: post #589
account42 wrote: post #575

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Email doesn't go through an app controlled by Facebook so I don't agree about your security assessment.

You don't know where your email goes through, and email for sure is not end to end encrypted. WhatsApp uses the Signal protocol. Closed source code can be decompiled, open source does not magically give you better security properties.

> WhatsApp uses the Signal protocol

claims to do so.

> open source does not magically give you better security properties.

Reproducible builds do, in fact I have no idea if you and I are running the same whatsapp at all.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by Hoodedcrow »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #170
nkrisc wrote: post #131

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> But today, the very first touchpoint with "the internet" for younger folks is a smartphone display. The even do homework on this small screens! I saw a tweet recently that perfectly encapsulates this: for most people over 30, certain things are "big screen tasks". I use my phone for a lot, but for some things I put the phone down and use my computer instead. I am most comfortable using a large screen and a keyboard…

> I personally find the idea of doing homework on my phone horrifying but I suppose kids today are either used to it and comfortable with it, or they've simply never used a computer and don't know what they're missing. Though I'd wager they probably aren't comfortable typing on a keyboard. For college aged kids, most people are definitely not doing their homework on their phone. Many are still using paper and pencil.…

The only situation I can think of is when you're in public transport and settling down with a laptop or paper is not really feasible. But if that came up frequently, I'd rather buy a tablet. Some students in my class also use tablets in class instead of laptops.

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Post by Hoodedcrow »

t-3 wrote: post #374
Groxx wrote: post #360

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Aside from being a bit small and having to be held close, phones are good proportions for reading. Computers screens have gotten wider and wider, and UIs bigger and bigger, and it eats into reading space pretty heavily. Especially if you don't have a high-density screen.

In addition to more space, having only one foreground application really reduces distractions and visual clutter. Also, for some reason I am comfortable using larger fonts on phones and tablets, which makes doing lots of reading easier than on my laptop.

I don't feel comfortable reading from my laptop or phone in general. If a text isn't very short, I prefer saving it as .html or .pdf onto my e-reader, and that's such a MASSIVE improvement. That includes long comment sections too.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by Hoodedcrow »

t-3 wrote: post #450
encom wrote: post #410

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This is the first time I've heard someone say a smartphone reduces distractions. As a millennial boomer, I prefer my triple monitor setup and mechanical keyboard, not to mention network- and client-level content blockers, whenever I have to input more than a sentence. I was at a conference last week, and I took notes in a fullscreened GNU Nano. Distractions, ADHD, etc. Did get some odd looks, but I couldn't imagine t…

I don't have any social apps or games on my phone. Other than the web browser there's nothing to distract me. I find it so easy to get caught up in checking the news or email or the episode of that show I was watching on my laptop, but I don't do any of those things habitually on my phone or tablet or reader so that's my "distraction free" device. That's only for reading though! For taking notes I go with a real keyb…

For me, a phone is mostly less distracting because it's not very comfortable to use compared to a laptop. It's much less likely to get sucked into doing unrelated things when the experience is actively not that pleasant (especially when it comes to anything with typing).

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by Hoodedcrow »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #453
pnexk wrote: post #289

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It is also the case that PCs are still more expensive than phones. Had a work colleague in one of my first customer facing service jobs who relied almost completely on an android phone to get everything done from mortgage applications to entertainment before I gifted them one of my lesser used laptops.

high end phones are 1k, you can buy a used thinkpad for 200$ or a chromebook for 500$ or now the macbook neo for 600$. Well it's also that the phone you need it so the laptop/pc it's an aditional cost

If we're talking about people having a hard time affording a phone - why tf are you bringing up high-end phones at all? I'm in no way poor and my $300 phone was already a pretty painful expense. In those cases, we'd be talking about a <$200 Chinaphone. Also yeah, indeed, there are affordable laptop options given how much of a necessity it feels like. That tends to be more value per dollar in a laptop too. Personally not comfortable buying secondhand though because I can't risk money on that scale, and there are much less guarantees on the state of the hardware, although would like to eventually learn how to do it as safely as buying new.
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