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> By such definition, all of science is "sealioning" You are taking an overly literal interpretation of my comment and offering more sophistry in response. Apologies for the short reply but none of the rest seems relevant.

Definitions are to be taken literally yes, otherwise its not a good definition.

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Iran has said it was not them. So far Iran has been quite conscientious about taking responsibility of the targets they have hit or attempted to hit. Israel on the other hand has a history of not being so.

> Iran has said it was not them They’ve given mixed messages. You see the new talking points being echoed down thread [1]. > Iran has been quite conscientious about taking responsibility There is no singular Iran. The President apologized. Then the IRGC hit more targets in neutral nations. (Again, unless we use the new definition of neutrality which means everyone is an enemy.) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

Your [1] and Iran's claim that it did not target Azerbaijan can both be true.

Yes there is no one central command, but in spite of that whoever is doing the shooting in Iran has been conscientious about taking responsibility.

I find this believable because Azerbaijan has not been hit again as compared to other neighbouring Arab nations.

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> fewer people have been killed than those two days of massacre. So, how many have been killed in those two days of massacre exactly? A credible source please, and "killed", not "accused of killing", "allegedly killed" etc. I was following this news in real-time at that time. One thing I noticed was that media outlets started killing/withdrawing many of their stories. That made me mighty suspicious.

Here's (1) a reference from a relatively credible source with a lot of context. There's a section dedicated to the number you're looking for. Worth adding that the regime claims around 3000 were killed while not allowing any independent investigation and also completely blocking the internet for days and arresting reporters. Mighty suspicious indeed. But that is besides my point. Even if we go with the regime's numbe…

Thanks. I find both the sources credible.

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If it is the ICCPR, then it appears Israel is also a signer and as I said Israel is equally prone to violations of human rights on and off of its territory. So again I do not see what was the point of specifically calling out Iran for it.

I am referring to a different treaty, which you would realize if you took over from beedeebeedee to look up the video of Mahsa Amini's death and analyzed it critically.

All I can see is a video of a woman supposedly fainting and then this being declared her death.

If you are trying to insinuate some absurd nonsense like this is evidence of chemical weapons, then be straight. I don't see anything about her cause of death other than speculating police brutality.

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The downplaying of Iran’s capabilities is a weird kind of racism IMHO. In the modern view, Iranians have been categorized as “brown” so people lump them together with Somalians and Afghans. But Iran is a technologically and politically sophisticated country. In terms of the Civ tech tree, it’s higher than any middle eastern country except Israel.

>Iranians have been categorized as “brown” so people lump them together with Somalians and Afghans. Even from a racist perspective that's completely wrong; Iranians are white, the name "Iran" literally means "Land of the Aryans".

Wow you just sent me through a fascinating journey through Wikipedia for a while there.

The history (and pseudoscientific justification) of racism is mind-boggling as ever.

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I hate Trump also but he is a saint compared to the Iranian Shia Theocracy

By what metric? Certainly not by lives lost, damage done, or dollars embezzled. Not by interference in other countries, or apocalyptic rhetoric. So, what exactly is your opinion based on?

"By what metric?"

By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Pretty simple really. Protesting the US government is still legal. Protesting the Iranian government in Iran will get you killed.

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No. “ A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological, or other device that is intended to harm a large number of people” https://www.dhs.gov/topics/weapons-mass-destruction .

As many like to say, quantity has a quality of its own.

Orwellian semantic games…Iran didn’t have a WMD, so now we will modify the definition of WMD.

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I am referring to a different treaty, which you would realize if you took over from beedeebeedee to look up the video of Mahsa Amini's death and analyzed it critically.

All I can see is a video of a woman supposedly fainting and then this being declared her death. If you are trying to insinuate some absurd nonsense like this is evidence of chemical weapons, then be straight. I don't see anything about her cause of death other than speculating police brutality.

chemical weapon is precisely what it is

did you see the longer multi-segment video, or just the single scene where she collapses?

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“ The bombing, combined with other simultaneous Israeli military actions in Gaza, killed at least 68,000 Palestinians (mostly civilians), which is between 3% and 4% of the total population of the territory, and damaged or destroyed Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and other civilian infrastructure including refugee camps.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... You can play…

In October 7th 2023, about 11% of the residents of Kibbutz Be'eri - 130 out of 1200 - were murdered, raped, tortures and/or kidnapped into Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre

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By what metric? Certainly not by lives lost, damage done, or dollars embezzled. Not by interference in other countries, or apocalyptic rhetoric. So, what exactly is your opinion based on?

"By what metric?" By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power. Pretty simple really. Protesting the US government is still legal. Protesting the Iranian government in Iran will get you killed.

> By the fact that Trump hasn't killed thousands of people to stay in power.

Oh? How many do you think he has killed?

How many people have died so far because of Trump's aid to Israel?

How many people have died because of the cuts to USAID?

How many Iranians has Trump killed? How many Iranian children? ... Compare to, how many Americans did the Iranian government kill?

How certain are you that the conditions in the Iran protests weren't provoked by US and Israeli provocateurs? ... Why?

What's your explanation for Trump directing Lockheed Martin to ramp up production of interceptor missiles months before assassinating Iran's leader during negotiations? Months before the protests used as a fig leaf of justification?

> Pretty simple really.

Idk man. Is it? Maybe thinking Trump is a better person than the leader he helped assassinate is too simple.

> Protesting the US government is still legal. Protesting the Iranian government in Iran will get you killed.

Protesting the Israeli government in the US can get you thrown in a concentration camp and deported. That's pretty weird, no?

Even during the last admin, protesting the Israeli government could get you fired, or attacked by riot police.

Does the moral high ground of not murdering protesters give you the right to arm and enable genocide? To murder leaders while pretending to negotiate with them? To bomb schools?

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