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Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by lynndotpy »

butILoveLife wrote: post #589
lynndotpy wrote: post #488

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Tofu uses about 50x less land, 5x water, and produces 15x less CO2 per gram of protein compared to beef. It's pretty remarkable by these metrics even compared to other plant foods. Tofu would certainly be understood as "OP" in any simulated game like civilization. We in the US are disadvantaged just for our intractable attachment to beef. Plus, all the other nice things about it (high in fiber, doesn't incur the bodi…

Had to use beef and not chicken? And I noticed you didn't mention nutrition but rather economics.

Tofu still compares favorably to chicken, it uses about 2x less water and produces about 3x less CO2 than chicken. Looking at my Costco, tofu is about the same price per gram protein as chicken.

I used common English words using simple grammatical structures in short paragraphs. My comment was short and easy to read. I articulated the nutritive qualities clearly and succinctly. Tofu compares favorably to beef and chicken in terms of nutrition as well. (And that's even if we're ignoring how commonly meats have added table and curing salts).

Further, we're discussing beef in this thread, and anyone who was reading this thread would have that context. You're implying that tofu to beef was intentionally done to disfavor the meat industry, which is either bad-faith rhetoric, or you are someone who is commenting without having the context that beef is discussed pretty centrally throughout this thread.

Your reply does not seem like good-faith participation from a human. You are clearly not even reading the comments you are replying to.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by slashdev »

xvector wrote: post #562
slashdev wrote: post #401

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So you've decided it's more ethical it not be born or live at all. Obviously the only reason beef cattle exist at all is because we eat them. It doesn't seem such a clear cut ethical decision to me. Certainly there are some forms of raising livestock that are terrible (broiler chickens come to mind), but there are other forms that actually seem quite pleasant for the animals most of the time (e.g. free-range cattle).

Free-range isn't pleasant at all, that's a fair bit of clever marketing. It's virtually impossible to find meat that has lived a "pleasant" life and slaughter. I'd eat meat myself if I could find a reliable and cost effective source of ethical farming. https://www.dominionmovement.com/facts - Ctrl-F "free range"

It varies quite a lot.

You actually could find a reliable and cost effective source of ethical ranching, it typically requires buying e.g. a whole side of beef from a specific ranch.

Not very convenient, but if you worry so much about the conditions of the animal, that gives you a way to choose one that fits your standards.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by goosejuice »

deaux wrote: post #585
goosejuice wrote: post #219

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I suspect Commonwealth or Asia. Is your definition of sandwich cold things between sliced bread and burger hot things in a bun? A piece of hot chicken between bread in Italy would likely be a panino, france a sandwich, spain a bocadillo, Portugal sandes, Japan a sando, mexico a torta, Argentina a sanguche. I think you overestimate how many people use burger for things that don't refer to the American concept. A lot o…

What are you even arguing about? KFC and McD uses "Burger" everywhere outside of NA. There's nothing left to discuss besides that, it shows that indeed the rest of the world all calls it a burger even though it's not a ground meat patty. Good luck finding a country outside of NA where they call their chicken burgers a "chicken sandwich". > Is your definition of sandwich cold things between sliced bread and burger hot…

Asking questions and giving background isn't arguing. Thanks for answering one of my questions.

> Good luck finding a country outside of NA where they call their chicken burgers a "chicken sandwich".

I gave you several examples already. There's a whole lovely world of food outside of fast food.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangucher%C3%ADa?wprov=sfla1

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Post by TeMPOraL »

oblio wrote: post #525
TeMPOraL wrote: post #479

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Also: > many additives and ingredients that are not typically used in home cooking, such as preservatives, emulsifiers Since when? Salt is a highly effective preservative, egg yolk is a powerful emulsifier, and they're largely used for those exact purposes . The amount of bullshit in "healthy eating" and fitness fad space never ceases to amaze me.

Is that comment trying to be intentionally dense? They're talking about E123 & co, synthetic ones.

"E123 & co" are descriptors covering both "organic" and "synthetic" substances, because their role is to add precision and clarity to an engineering process, not entertain the pseudoscientific naturalistic bullshit masses buy into (which by itself is just a way for another industry to make money - or do you think people come up with those fitness/healthy eating fads all on their own?).

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Post by notTooFarGone »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #183
mschild wrote: post #27

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Based on my bubble, vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters that do want to decrease their meat consumption. At this point, in Germany at least, discounter brands like Lidl and Aldi have beaten Beyond Meat at their game though. They produce alternatives that taste as good or better, for significantly less money.

I have been vegan for 12 years. It is not that hard to make vegan burger patties at home. Or you can just cut up a block of tofu and season it to be eaten in a burger. Takes about the same time or less to cook as these Beyond grease fests. Besides there is so many cheaper alternatives these days that I very rarely buy them. We don’t need meat alternatives. Vegan diet is cardiovascularly extremely healthy, seems to pr…

Why are you trashing vegans that are still living unhealthy? Be glad that they still chose to eat vegan.

You come off as very militant in that sense.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

array_key_first wrote: post #506
kjkjadksj wrote: post #491

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Hamburgers are pretty lean. The meat is “processed” by mixing fatty cuts with lean cuts. So it ends up leaner than what the fat cut would have been.

And preservatives, and antimicrobial washes. Hamburger patties are not very lean at all. 15% saturated fat is not lean. Lean is chicken breast or game deer.

Those are weird steps for homemade burgers. Lean meat is rabbit, not even chicken.

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Post by tonymet »

troyvit wrote: post #524
tonymet wrote: post #523

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I live around thousands of cows grazing and they seem just as natural as your critters. I'm glad some folks are aware that producing food kills animals. And graziers are consuming grass. I have friends primarily eating Deer & Graziers, so their animal impact is similar to your happy critters.

Cool I live 40 miles downwind from this: https://www.greeleytribune.com/2013/10/31/greeley-based-ag-g... When there's an up-slope winter breeze I can smell it.

fertilizer smells. it also pollutes water ways.

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm trying to point out that vegans are selective in their complaints.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by butILoveLife »

lynndotpy wrote: post #591
butILoveLife wrote: post #589

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Had to use beef and not chicken? And I noticed you didn't mention nutrition but rather economics.

Tofu still compares favorably to chicken, it uses about 2x less water and produces about 3x less CO2 than chicken. Looking at my Costco, tofu is about the same price per gram protein as chicken. I used common English words using simple grammatical structures in short paragraphs. My comment was short and easy to read. I articulated the nutritive qualities clearly and succinctly. Tofu compares favorably to beef and chi…

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Post by dismalaf »

trevorkoob wrote: post #448
hbn wrote: post #425

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> Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers Not sure what health-conscious people you know, but I'd hazard to guess that most would choose the patty made from a single natural ingredient that's been a staple of the human diet since the dawn of man over the ultra-processed slurry of starches and oils.

You may have a point about processing, but I think by talking about "most people" you have invalidated any future points you may be trying to make. For example: "single natural ingredient" not every cow is only fed with grass, and what about that grass, has it been treated, etc... also Neu5Gc Mammal meat contains it, Humans have lost the enzyme (perhaps over that time since "the dawn of man"), it causes inflammation.…

> Looking at chimpanzee diets, I don't think our common ancestor was regularly eating burgers

Chimps literally eat other monkeys and even cannibalize other troops... They definitely eat meat.

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Post by asdff »

DangitBobby wrote: post #573
asdff wrote: post #70

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It is the latter. For a few of them they swear off impossible and tolerate beyond or vice versa. And of course some restaurants with their own bean burger formulations are sometimes whiffs but also other times completely blow any fake meat option out of the water.

I've had maybe one bean burger in a restaurant that was any good.

Sorry for your loss
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