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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by duxup »

freedomben wrote: post #500
duxup wrote: post #368

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It’s not a parental controls / software problem. It’s a parents showing self control / parenting and monitoring their children in person thing.

How many kids do you have? What software do you use for this continuous monitoring? How do you balance spending 18 hours a day continuously monitoring your children, with also working full-time and being a human yourself? Please elaborate on your personal system because I think you could help out a lot of people. I am strongly against this age verification, I think this is an absolutely, catastrophically terrible ide…

I have 2 kids. I choose to limit when they have access to electronics and monitor when they do.

No software is going to stop kids with constant access to electronics, kids are resourceful.

It's a choice, there's no getting around that.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by duxup »

Qwertious wrote: post #456
duxup wrote: post #368

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It’s not a parental controls / software problem. It’s a parents showing self control / parenting and monitoring their children in person thing.

So you want all parents to be helicopter parents?

You don't have to helicopter if they don't have electronics 24/7.

It's an actual choice:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/fashion/steve-jobs-apple-...

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by duxup »

wredcoll wrote: post #384
duxup wrote: post #368

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It’s not a parental controls / software problem. It’s a parents showing self control / parenting and monitoring their children in person thing.

Do you genuinely not remember being a child?

Yes.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fc417fc802 »

gzread wrote: post #553
fc417fc802 wrote: post #462

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> I am so puzzled by ... Because it's inverted. If it's opt in on the parent's part anyway then there's no reason to send additional information along with the request. The service should rather send additional information about content categorization alongside the response. So what reasons can you imagine for it to be designed in such an obviously unnecessary way?

That design would require websites to have separate sections per age bracket.

No more or less than sending age information or registering an ID does. In all cases they must track content classification at some granularity (individual resource, single page, subdomain, some other scheme) and act on that information. The only thing that varies is how they act.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by greycol »

tim333 wrote: post #487
Jolter wrote: post #422

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Do you think the mechanisms required by this law, as described in the linked article, constitute ”good parental control”?

Nothing's perfect but being able to tell the os the user is say 5 and then not have sites etc. show porn seem better than nothing?

If you want that you get an OS that specifically supports child mode, you don't mandate all OSs default to having a child mode. The reason you don't do this is because when it's in place the default will be if you don't want to prove who you are you can't go anywhere on the internet except the most milquetoast sites (with no user created content) and the worst of the worst sites (that ignore these rules).

If I want to bash the government I don't want to have to choose between giving my id and going to terroristforum dot com.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fc417fc802 »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #543
fc417fc802 wrote: post #451

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But it is an argument against age restrictions since you could just as easily pass a law that instead required schools to enable various filters. You could even require mainstream devices from major manufacturers to support certain filtering standards. And you could require websites to send self categorization headers. There is no valid argument for why ID checks are necessary if the goal is simply to get filtering i…

I don't really give a damn about the freedom to say stuff on the internet, so you're trying to convince the wrong person.

That's unfortunate, but what I said had nothing to do with that. I merely refuted the basis of your prior objection.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by akdev1l »

bee_rider wrote: post #278
akdev1l wrote: post #221

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so many people start asking random questions like these acting as if judges are drooling baboons or something “What’s even an operating system will this apply to my toaster?” - probably not, a judge would ultimately decide.

That seems pretty annoying for people who sell computing appliances like smart toasters, routers, and televisions, and videogame consoles—do they preemptively start implementing in case a judge decides they are covered? Why not write an easy-to-interpret law in the first place?

You couldn’t really write a law that is easy to interpret in all cases and that is completely unambiguous.

Could the law be better written? Probably. But at some point there will always be a grey area that needs to be slowly defined through jurisprudence and case law.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by muyuu »

autoexec wrote: post #556
muyuu wrote: post #391

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tbf, when most of those posting here were children, access to smartphones/tablets with unrestricted internet connection wasn't a problem but i do remember my parents actually raising me pretty hands-on, taking care of me not watching stuff I shouldn't be watching which of course existed and was easily available

Access to smartphones/tablets with unrestricted internet connection is only a problem today when parents give their children access to smartphones/tablets with unrestricted internet connections. Cell phones and tablets don't spontaneously appear whenever a child wants one. Parents have the ability to hand devices over to children when they have time to watch them while they use it and remove those devices from them w…

i 100% agree with you, but we cannot make the argument that the conditions were remotely comparable decades ago

they really weren't

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by charcircuit »

Tostino wrote: post #303
charcircuit wrote: post #174

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Being passed by a "totalitarian idiot" does not mean that a law is not valid.

What a serf mindset.

Wanting society to be run effectively and not be blighted with rule breakers does not make me a serf. I have used my free will to decide that I want to live in and respect society.
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