I still dont understand the hype for any of this claw stuff
You maintain a base level of common sense.
Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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#592I don't think AI will kill software engineering anytime soon, though I wonder if claws will largely kill the need for frontend specialists.
To clarify, you mean that we're entering a post-HTML world, correct? As in, why spend effort on the aesthetics if a human will never see it, correct? Because that is also my worry; a post-HTML and perhaps even a POST-API world....
Instead of "User eXperience", a new profession "Agent eXperience" will arise.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#593One safety pattern I’m baking into CLI tools meant for agents: anytime an agent could do something very bad, like email blast too many people, CLI tools now require a one-time password The tool tells the agent to ask the user for it, and the agent cannot proceed without it. The instructions from the tool show an all caps message explaining the risk and telling the agent that they must prompt the user for the OTP I ha…
Another pattern would mirror BigCorp process: you need VP approval for the privileged operation. If the agent can email or chat with the human (or even a strict, narrow-purpose agent(1) whose job it is to be the approver), then the approver can reply with an answer. This is basically the same as your pattern, except the trust is in the channel between the agent and the approver, rather than in knowledge of the passwo…
Until the agent decides that it's more efficient to fake an approval, and carries on...
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#594Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.
This sounds like it would be better suited for a shell script.
what's a shell script? sounds like an implementation detail that I don't care about, I just want something to do a thing for me.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#595I guess it's relieving to know that us developers will never get good at naming things!
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#596Earlier quoted context omitted.
What exactly are they self hosting here? Probably not the model, right? So just the harness? That does sound like the worst of both worlds: You get the dependency and data protection issues of a cloud solution, but you also have to maintain a home server to keep the agent running on?
> but you also have to maintain a home server to keep the agent running on I'm not fascinated by the idea that a lot of people here don't have multiple Mac minis or minisforum or beelink systems running at home. That's been a constant I've seen in tech since the 90s.
Oops, remove 'not'
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#597Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you know the method already, why is cron insufficient? Why use a meat bag to message over cron? Is that the setup phase for a new stream?
This reminded me of a video I saw recently where someone mentioned that piracy is most often a service problem not a price problem. That back in the days people used torrents to get movies because they worked well and were better than searching for stuff at blockbuster, then, came Netflix, and they flocked to it and paid the premium for convenience without even thinking twice and piracy decreased. I think the analogy…
Lazy is a bit pejorative.
Other than the people that hang out here, most people don't want to write software, they want to make problems go away and things happen and make their lives easier and more fun.
we can magically have the ai do things for us now... for most people that's perfect. it opens programming up to others but do they care how it happens? does your ceo care what programming language or library you use (if they do do you want to work there)?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#598I don't think AI will kill software engineering anytime soon, though I wonder if claws will largely kill the need for frontend specialists.
The LLM paradigm will never lead to AGI and to attach something other than AGI to all of your personal data and files — and setting it free whilst you sleep — is about as dumb as anything I can imagine.
The frontend will remain a requirement because you cannot trust LLMs to not hallucinate. Literally cannot. The "Claw" phenomenon is essentially a marketing craze for a headless AI browser that has filesystem access. I don't even trust my current browser with filesystem access. I don't trust the AI browsers when I can see what they're doing because they click faster than I can process what they're doing. If they're stopping to ask my permission, what's the point?
Mark my words, this will be an absolute disaster for every single person who connects these things to anything of meaning eventually.
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#599Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sounds like it would be better suited for a shell script.
what's a shell script? sounds like an implementation detail that I don't care about, I just want something to do a thing for me.
I let out a big sigh reading this and would like to move to a different planet now.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#600I'm confused and frustrated by this naming of "claws"
* I think my biggest frustration is that I don't know how security standards just gets blatantly ignored for the sake of ai progress. It feels really weird that folks with huge influence and reputation in software engineering just promotes this * The confusion comes in because for some reason we decide to drop our standards at a whim. Lines of code as the measurement of quality, ignoring security standards when adopting something. We get taught to not fall for shiny object syndrome, but here we are showing the same behaviour for anything AI related. Maybe I struggle with separating hobbyist coding from professional coding, but this whole situation just confuses me
I think I expected better from influential folks promoting AI tools to at least check validate the safety of using them. "Vibe coding" was safe, claws are not yet safe at all.