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Re: Keep Android Open

#591

Does the AI boom help with this? Can we donate enough token-budget for GrapheneOS to maintain a fully functional fork?

You are overinflating how useful AI is. Moreover most FOSS people actually don't want any AI written code unless the human driving it has done equivalent amount of work understanding and designing it from scratch.

Re: Keep Android Open

#592

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But unfortunately, it turns out that some people you interact with aren't actually your friend. That guy that seems totally legit and just wants your sister to install his fun little game/app that he wrote is actually trying to get her to install an app that's going to track your location and read all your messages and copy all your photos. To keep her safe from the "actually" bad people, of course.

Let's ban passwords because you could give me your password

Hilarious example to use, because that literally is an effort that’s underway.

Thousands of people get scammed and have their lives ruined every year, so deprecating passwords is absolutely the right move

Re: Keep Android Open

#593

I want Google as an app, not OS. Hear me out. Imagine an open device where you can run Google as just another sandboxed app. Inside, they can exert all the control they want. My bank and government can force me to use Google. Then, at least I control my hardware and my OS. It's just nasty to have your device and OS controlled by an antagonistic entity. I see this in people why have used antagonistic software for deca…

You have that. Run Chrome browser on Linux. We should be thankful we have Linux.

Re: Keep Android Open

#594

I want Google as an app, not OS. Hear me out. Imagine an open device where you can run Google as just another sandboxed app. Inside, they can exert all the control they want. My bank and government can force me to use Google. Then, at least I control my hardware and my OS. It's just nasty to have your device and OS controlled by an antagonistic entity. I see this in people why have used antagonistic software for deca…

GrapheneOS is as close as you can get to something like this.

Re: Keep Android Open

#595
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My bank sends me an alert when my card is used to make a transaction - handy for spotting fraud. I get an alert when a payment comes it - handy for knowing if a client has paid. I can quickly check my balance - handy for knowing if I can afford another round of drinks. I can repay a friend in two taps - handy if they've paid for dinner. Is anything essential? No. Is it something people use multiple times per day? Yes…

I can get alerts in email or messages, no need dedicated app for that, I can track there also my balance, so only useful thing app provides are easy wire transfers from phone, which I never do, if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone.

The overwhelming majority of the population of the developed world now considers the mobile phone as their primary (and often only) computing device. It's always with them, it's more accessible and intuitive than a laptop, and it's how they communicate with everyone. It doesn't matter if you prefer to do this or that on a "real" computer - most people would just do everything through the phone if they could.

It's surprising how we still see posts like these in 2026 on what should be a "future-friendly" forum.

Re: Keep Android Open

#596
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I contacted the EU DMA team about my concerns and got a real reply within 24 hours. Not just an automated message, it looked like a real human read my message and wrote a reply. I'd urge other EU citizens to do the same.

Done! I wrote up both my concerns about this and how it affects app/app-store market competition, and how limitations like Play Integrity encourage apps to block usage on non-Google approved devices as well, since that's anti-competitive within the mobile device & OS market (blocking GrapheneOS, Waydroid, etc).

Supporting free competition with and within the Android market is in theory what these teams are all about so hopefully with enough voices they'll push harder on it. I'd love to see a shift here that makes non-Google/Apple-controlled mobile a possible option (even if it's a Linux-on-desktop-style niche for the foreseeable future)

Re: Keep Android Open

#597
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That's pretty much my usage pattern too, including some group texting, the occasional call and sometimes taking photos/videos. Otherwise my phone pretty much stays in my pocket or on my table the entire day. What are you using your phone for that makes that so unbelievable?

I used my bank app yesterday, but since then I've used: whatsapp, phone, push authenticator, safari (having followed a link from a message), spotify, slack, mail, calandar, disney plus and camera Do you not do any of that on a mobile device?

I do use whatsapp, camera and the phone functionality, web browsing very seldom, mostly for "emergencies". Spotify, work chat, mail, calendar and watching entertainment is all stuff I either do at my desktop or on the TV, never use the phone for those things.

Re: Keep Android Open

#598

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux MSFT Market cap: 2.951T AAPL Market cap: 3.883T

You've made my point. How many people use Linux as their primary desktop or mobile OS? And that's arguably the world's largest open source project.

> their primary desktop

You're moving the goal post. Linix competed with the biggest software companies in the world in the server world and won. We can do it again in another market.

Re: Keep Android Open

#599

The judge told Google that Apple is not anti-competitive because Apple has no competitors on it's platform (this all stemming from the Epic lawsuits). Google listened. Blame the judge for one of the worst legal calls in recent history. Google is a monopoly and Apple is not. Simple fix for Google...

Apple has not competitors and it is not a monopoly? This is exactly the definition of monopoly.

Re: Keep Android Open

#600

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> going to track your location and read all your messages and copy all your photos. To keep her safe from the "actually" bad people, of course. The guy's name? Google. ;-)

Actually, what Google does is totally legit because they pester you constantly about "sharing your location/photos/installing Gemini" until you accidentally press yes, and they can say they have your consent. So they are actually the good guys.

I concur, and find it abhorrent. And wish more people would kick up a stink about this. We need a publication or channel that talks about rights like this. I don't know of any that do a decent job. I donate to my local best option.
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