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EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by cindyllm »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #583
miki123211 wrote: post #373

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Here's how this law is actually going to work. Instead of destroying the unsold clothes in Europe, manufacturers are going to sell them to "resale" companies in countries with little respect for the rule of law, mostly in Africa or Asia. Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers. So instead of destroying those clothes in Europe, we'll just add an unnecessary shipping step to…

Wild how random, just getting by people can manage to recycle their motor oil and try to make better choices but businesses can only do the most shitty thing possible.

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Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

nullocator wrote: post #470
cyclotron3k wrote: post #398

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This is a fantasy. No one is going to pay you to take your waste away and dispose of it. You would have to pay them. So now there's a strong financial incentive to a) not over produce, b) sell the clothes - even if it means selling them for next to nothing.

China for decades paid the U.S. and Europe for their "recycling", this practice was only banned in recent years. Clothes seem more valuable than plastics waste.

clothes is plastics waste

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #390
JoshTriplett wrote: post #372

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Note specifically that I said local industry. I don't mean some factory owned by a global chain.

I'm specifically talking about local, small business. Giant companies usually have better labor protections in the 3rd-4th world than small buisness does.

people making clothes for themselves to and to sell in a subsistence living style isnt quite comparable though, and not working exploitatively to extract the wealth from labour to a different country has a value of its own

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #424
birdsongs wrote: post #399

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Do we really need warehouses full of "just in case" inventory? It's not life or death, it's just slightly more profitable for companies to overproduce than it is for them to attempt to meet demand exactly. Climate change is coming, fast and brutal. I'm okay with these multi-billion-dollar revenue companies making a few points less in profits, if it means slowing climate change by even a fraction of a fraction of a po…

Companies can't meet demand exactly, no matter what profit margin they take, because it's not possible to predict demand exactly. Biasing towards overproduction is how you minimize the risk of shortages when there's a bit more demand than you expected.

as far as a market clearing problem goes, we should be forcing them to sell it at lower and lower prices, or even going to negative and payoyng people to take it off their hands.

supply and demand is that an oversupply makes prices fall, rather than driving artificial scarcity

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

csense wrote: post #511

I don't like destruction of perfectly usable items, and I think it's terrible that some brands destroy unsold $40 shirts to protect their branding and pricing power, rather than selling them for $20 or giving them away to the poor. But I like less the implications for private property ownership of this sort of regulation. If I own an item I should be able to destroy it if I want; the government shouldn't be able to t…

you own a business that owns the inventory, rather than owning the inventory yourself, no?

if you want to be doing all the things you could do otherwise, you should have full liability for it.

if youve got a boatload of suspenders, you should give them away, pay people to take them, or invent a new use for them. you could turn them into belts or waistbands or something.

even without the major market, there's still going to be niche market for suspenders

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

Sol- wrote: post #81
softwaredoug wrote: post #20

Fashion production is responsible for 8-10% of all carbon emissions https://www.ifc.org/en/insights-reports/2023/strengthening-s...

Cheap clothing is a civilizational achievement and good for human welfare. So carbon emissions are bad, but then we should price carbon and not micromanage clothing inventory.

is it actually?

i think its made people less independent than when we could maintain and produce our own textiles, and treat them well. Now we're dependent on markets and slave labour

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

TheChaplain wrote: post #214
jonstewart wrote: post #71

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Laissez faire. They’re making businesses absorb the externalities, as they should.

Don't be surprised if products are sent abroad for destr^Wrecycling. No I am not joking, some german company hid an airtag in a old computer that went to recycling. It ended up somewhere in Thailand, being not very environmentally friendly taken care of.

sure, but within an EU context, the company should still get fined as if they destroyed it themselves

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by 8note »

pojzon wrote: post #438

EU law making is full of hope and dreams but empty on common sense. “I hope everyone in the system will play nice and not try to abuse or circumvent it” We really really really need to replace our poloticians with younger ppl with functioning brains. Being 60+ should automatically disclasify you from running into office.

EU courts tend to take action based on the spirit of the law, so circumvention is also illegal

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by skeptic_ai »

cyclotron3k wrote: post #398
miki123211 wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's how this law is actually going to work. Instead of destroying the unsold clothes in Europe, manufacturers are going to sell them to "resale" companies in countries with little respect for the rule of law, mostly in Africa or Asia. Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers. So instead of destroying those clothes in Europe, we'll just add an unnecessary shipping step to…

This is a fantasy. No one is going to pay you to take your waste away and dispose of it. You would have to pay them. So now there's a strong financial incentive to a) not over produce, b) sell the clothes - even if it means selling them for next to nothing.

They won’t “sell”. Imagine LV selling originals in Africa , Africa would immediately resell them in Europe and us and Asia for much higher price and dilute the brand. It will be officially sold to a reseller, not officially they will pay a special African company to destroy it.

So same shit as before. Slightly more expensive. No big brand would ever sell their originals that didn’t sell cheap.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

cyclotron3k wrote: post #398
miki123211 wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's how this law is actually going to work. Instead of destroying the unsold clothes in Europe, manufacturers are going to sell them to "resale" companies in countries with little respect for the rule of law, mostly in Africa or Asia. Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers. So instead of destroying those clothes in Europe, we'll just add an unnecessary shipping step to…

This is a fantasy. No one is going to pay you to take your waste away and dispose of it. You would have to pay them. So now there's a strong financial incentive to a) not over produce, b) sell the clothes - even if it means selling them for next to nothing.

That's not really true.

Some places sell their cardboard scrap. I'm guessing that places with the right sorts of metal scrap get paid for their waste.

And folks have to pay for much of the rest. Some of the issue with dumping waste in a business's trash is that the business pays directly for waste removal in many places, unlike a lot of private folks, which pay through taxes.

This is the current state of things. What has changed is the sort of service that they need to pay for. Instead of destruction, they'd be paying for recycling or resale. Like now, they have the option of donation or reduced prices.

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