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Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by nasmorn »

fragmede wrote: post #508
taurath wrote: post #380

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Runs 2 tech companies - the basic promise of the US is when you're rich you can do whatever the hell you want because you can pay people to handle stuff for you. But also, one doesn't always need a phone - phones can die, signal is not gauranteed. What are your "must have" things that require one to have a smart phone to participate? Assume the poster has a home phone, laptop, and credit card.

The failure mode isn't as a tech company CEO. As you point out, if you're the CEO, you have the luxury of defining yourself unavailable as CEO whenever the hell you please. If the website is down out if business hours and you haven't made it someone else's problem that you're paying for it to stay up, it can just be down. No, the issue is as a father/mother/husband/wife/son/daughter to someone's you love dearly enoug…

OTOH I could see my loved ones an extra 20h a week that I now use my phone. I am not sure they gonna say something vastly more interesting in this hypothetical scenario

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Post by mattmaroon »

lrvick wrote: post #557
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I’m old enough to remember when nobody had a cell phone and we all worked and had social lives. I love it when people think you cant possibly live without something that didn’t exist a short time ago. That said I’d be lost in five minutes if I tried to drive somewhere without gps

> That said I’d be lost in five minutes if I tried to drive somewhere without gps I used to be that way, but MRI brain scan studies have proven that regular use of GPS actually atrophies the parts of your brain responsible for navigation. You likely need a GPS because you make too much use of a GPS. I weaned myself off by regularly printing directions or writing them down before I leave. Eventually I finally learned…

Oh yeah I’m sure that’s the case. I was directionally challenged even before, but could then (and I’m sure could still) print and drive. The good old days of AAA and Mapquest!

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #581
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #568

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You don’t think that Republicans outright celebrating and defending Nazis and what Kirk said - and praised by Republicans is considering a race inferior?

I vehemently oppose Nazi anything. Also I think you've subscribed to a very biased view of Republicans that doesn't describe anyone I know. That said I'm not politically aligned with either she so my take shouldn't serve as a defense for anyone's view. But from outside the fishbowl I can't say I subscribe to this description.

So this doesn’t describe “anyone you know”, yet the official “Young Republicans” association is bragging about their support for Nazis with the Republican Vice President dismissing it and Republicans across the country deifying a dead racist podcaster? And the elected Republican President accused a whole group of people of “eating pets” - and Republicans still overwhelming support this. Yet “no one you know” is like this?

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

gaudystead wrote: post #260
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Reticulum gets around a lot of these problems, as the (better) encryption is app-level (or even more fine-grained.) Its also not tied to lora, so you can interop easily with other transports. I made a websocket transport for it, and there is already TCP and UDP, and a couple non-lora radio transports. I also made a (works on web) js and Arduino client lib, and it has a few native client libs, so it can sort of be use…

I only recently discovered Reticulum, only to then learn that the developer has retired from working on it. Do you know if there's still any community members carrying the torch?

He has not retired from working on it. He just got fed up with the community and is now pushing changes without allowing github issues and discussions.

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Post by sib »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #491
sib wrote: post #251

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Just because the government can't buy it, doesn't mean they can't ask for it reeeeallllllly persuasively.

Government is supposed to follow the law as much as everybody else. Whatever they do has to hold up as legal in court when contested. If they acquire information illegally they will be losing trials.

If only. (cf., parallel construction)

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Post by naikrovek »

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5G isn’t inherently any more precise, but because of the higher frequency used in 5G, the radio signals are blocked by obstructions much more easily, so there must be many more 5G radios per unit area to provide coverage. And one feature of having many more base stations around is that triangulation of specific phone is much more accurate and precise because of how close the 5G base stations are to all 5G phones. 5G…

> but because of the higher frequency used in 5G For the most part they use the same or lower frequencies. N71 (600mhz) is lower than any of the 2G/3G bands and requires less cell density than 3G (UMTS/WCDMA) did. > 5G infrastructure isn’t limited to tall easily visible radio towers like 4G and before; Nor were earlier technologies. DAS systems get used in large buildings/cities and were done with 4G as well. Small c…

oh dang i was way off. thank you

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Post by naikrovek »

sorenjan wrote: post #509
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5G isn’t inherently any more precise, but because of the higher frequency used in 5G, the radio signals are blocked by obstructions much more easily, so there must be many more 5G radios per unit area to provide coverage. And one feature of having many more base stations around is that triangulation of specific phone is much more accurate and precise because of how close the 5G base stations are to all 5G phones. 5G…

This is not true, 5G has multiple positioning improvements that are not related to higher frequencies. 5G has something called LMF (Location Management Function) that handles positioning of user clients through multiple means, like round trip time, angle of arrival, and dedicated 5G positioning reference signals. You can read more about 5G positioning here: https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2020/12/5g-positioning--wha…

i swore 5G used much higher frequencies (and is therefore blocked by so many more things that don't affect 4G and below.) I'm glad I'm wrong, thank you.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lrvick wrote: post #540
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I don’t think it’s a silly question. Before mobile phones, there were public phone booths. Along motorways there were often call boxes. There’s little to none of that anymore. Also before mobile phones, if you had an accident in a remote area you were at the mercy of someone passing by and noticing you. Today, modern cars can call 911 on your behalf along with your location without you even being conscious. Or if you…

I have many times used public telephones when I really need to when traveling. The main difference today is they are free. Every airport lobby, every hotel, and most business can call a taxi or call 911 in a pinch. There are also free public use phones (often hardcoded to emergency numbers or taxi companies) often in hotel and airport lobbies. I never noticed them until I got rid of my phone but they are everywhere.…

Right, typically in an emergency you’ll want to call the police or paramedics, and later family. Front desk of any business or bystander can do the first, hospital can do the latter.

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Post by advisedwang »

Spivak wrote: post #364
Ms-J wrote: post #330

More abuse done to us. We never agreed for our GPS coordinates to tag along with calls for some assholes to see exactly where we are. It is tiring. I am doing something about it by making technical contributions. If you are able to do the same, please do.

I mean we kinda did when we decided that emergency services calls would be special and give first responders the ability to find you. Wireless carriers are required to provide GPS quality (actually better than GPS) location data to EMS and this is how they built it. The only way to actually do this was develop a way to ask the phone because the tower isn't accurate enough. In the US it could have been more privacy pr…

It's perfectly reasonable to have the expectation that the cell phone network can provide location to emergency services but not the the telecom provider's marketing team or whoever they sell the data to.

In fact the apple feature the article talks about says [1]

> The limit precise location setting doesn't impact the precision of the location data that is shared with emergency responders during an emergency call.

So it actually now implements what it should have been all along. (except that it should be the default)

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/126101

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Post by trimethylpurine »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #586
trimethylpurine wrote: post #581

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I vehemently oppose Nazi anything. Also I think you've subscribed to a very biased view of Republicans that doesn't describe anyone I know. That said I'm not politically aligned with either she so my take shouldn't serve as a defense for anyone's view. But from outside the fishbowl I can't say I subscribe to this description.

It’s hard to believe that when you are repeating very common MAGA/republican talking points and digging in your heels calling into question political party realignment, a very established concept, to claim democrats are a pro-slavery party. That is a very striking claim from someone “outside the fishbowl.”

I didn't claim Democrats are pro slavery today. In the past they were. I gave very little opinion on the matter. I'm just pointing out that these talking points for both parties haven't changed.
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