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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by xyst »

bborud wrote: post #313
xyst wrote: post #77

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AWS is overrated junk, got it.

Well, isn’t it? It is easy to argue that it is expensive and complex. Since it is. And lots of people have made that argument. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone argue in favor of AWS while skimming the threads here. So this is your opportunity to make the case for AWS.

I am not arguing for AWS.

It _used_ to be great and free tier made it easy enough to migrate most personal use cases to their infrastructure. But they have enshittified the free tier to a point where it’s unusable without forking over obscene amounts of money.

Plus their support is non-existent unless you are one of those big corps.

Plus for a 1T+ company. You would think that their infrastructure would be top tier, never go done, best practices?

Nope. us-east1 continues to be dogshit and their typical response is to fork over more money for multi region and zone support.

And yes, the scale at which aws advertises is largely overkill for many companies. Even some Fortune 500.

But technology is driven by clueless C-level executives that get easily impressed by deck presentations from aws marketing.

Instead of investing in workforce. They invest in cLoUd.

It’s a huge joke.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by FpUser »

locknitpicker wrote: post #584
FpUser wrote: post #504

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>"like containing Russia" I think at the moment Canada faces way bigger problems from the south.

> I think at the moment Canada faces way bigger problems from the south. Exactly. Not only there's the absurd campaign from the Trump administration on how Canada should be a state but there are also the recent treasonous talks between representatives from the Trump administration and the Alberta separatists. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eby-alberta-separatism-9.70... Putin's regime might be a cancer of humanity,…

>"Putin's regime might be a cancer of humanity"

It will go away at some point unless global west will start behaving in the same manner.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by ivan_gammel »

locknitpicker wrote: post #546
miohtama wrote: post #357

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Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

> Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft. I don't know what you mean by China "getting rid of Microsoft" in the context of cloud providers. I mean, Azure is already present in China's internet, and just like any cloud provider present in China it's presence is a partnership with local cloud providers. Russia is getting rid of Microsoft not because it has a choice. They are subjected to sanctions due t…

The most interesting part is that they do not rely on Western software solutions (Russia still needs hardware, China may reach full autonomy soon enough). If they could do it relatively quickly, EU can do it too. And EU now has exactly the same incentives.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

woodson wrote: post #587
krzyk wrote: post #579

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What's wrong in using Linux. It is an open source project with origins in Finland and still lead by a Fin.

…who lives in Oregon, in the US.

Hey, we'd break away if we could.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by kasey_junk »

convolvatron wrote: post #354
ody4242 wrote: post #319

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You don't need hundreds of services. Give me virtual machines, reliable block storage, file storage and object storage, networking, dns, managed kubernetes, and it will cover the majority of workloads in Europe that run on Openshift or Openstack today.

Note that once you have virtual machines, those other things can be provided using that same virtual machine interface. Layering and standards are really useful. Spin up your own storage cluster? if you want...pay a managed service from a third party on the same cloud? whatever makes sense to you. I find it appalling that because money was so cheap, people got used to just throwing it at the hyperscalers 'rich offeri…

We didn’t do it because money was cheap we did it because there are tons of benefits to not having to inventory your own compute. Everything from elastic scaling to financial engineering was improved via the hyper scalar options and it’s ridiculous to act like those options aren’t valuable post hoc because Europe doesn’t have a native one.

I think the Heztners and their ilk are coming along nicely and probably can support a lot of Europes cloud computing needs, but they aren’t in the same league as the hyper scalars when it comes to capabilities currently. It would be great if they got there for everyone though.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by epolanski »

Most of my European clients fall in two categories:

1. Ain't nobody got time/care to move out of AWS/azure but we can consider alternatives on new stuff.

2. We moving all to European cloud vendors and gonna mail them to ditch US hardware as well.

The first group is bigger than the second.

One wish to say trump has done damage, but he was voted and he's doing exactly what he said he would do so it's hard to treat this as "it's just trump", it's not, it's Americans treating others like enemies.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by messh »

convolvatron wrote: post #354
ody4242 wrote: post #319

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You don't need hundreds of services. Give me virtual machines, reliable block storage, file storage and object storage, networking, dns, managed kubernetes, and it will cover the majority of workloads in Europe that run on Openshift or Openstack today.

Note that once you have virtual machines, those other things can be provided using that same virtual machine interface. Layering and standards are really useful. Spin up your own storage cluster? if you want...pay a managed service from a third party on the same cloud? whatever makes sense to you. I find it appalling that because money was so cheap, people got used to just throwing it at the hyperscalers 'rich offeri…

This matches my experience. I run a pay-per-use VM service (shellbox.dev) entirely on Hetzner auction servers with Firecracker microVMs. Sub-second boot, full Linux environment, SSH-only interface. The entire "cloud" layer is Firecracker + Btrfs reflinks for instant copy-on-write cloning. No managed Kubernetes, no proprietary orchestrators.

The total cost of that stack is remarkably low — cheap enough to offer VMs at $0.02/hr running and $0.50/mo stopped, which undercuts most hyperscalers for bursty workloads. The "billions in investment" framing is exactly the problem. Most of what hyperscalers sell is convenience wrappers around commodity compute, and the lock-in is the product.

Wrote up the economics here if anyone's curious: https://shellbox.dev/blog/race-to-the-bottom.html

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by manmal »

nozzlegear wrote: post #447
embedding-shape wrote: post #117

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> to a EU registrar Which one? I've been using DNSimple for so long, been trying to find something equally developer friendly who is based in Europe but haven't had much success. Used to use Gandi before DNSimple but it's obviously down the drain today.

I've been using DNSimple for ages and I'm looking to switch; not because of geopolitical reasons (I'm American), but they're just damn expensive for the simple dns and domain management stuff I use them for.

Are there other good ones with such a nice API?
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