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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by hardlianotion »

terminalshort wrote: post #519
dleslie wrote: post #429

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I think every American needs to understand this quote: > "We will never fucking trust you again."[0] It doesn't matter that Trump will eventually no longer be President, and it doesn't matter that there are still members of the American political establishment that support the old way of doing things. Trump does not act alone, and there is rapid attrition of those older bureaucrats who valued the USA's allies. Trump'…

Germany elected Hitler and we pretty much trusted them again in less than 20 years.

After blasting them to their knees, completely disbanding their society and writing their constitution for them. You up for that?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by cindyllm »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #588
coffe2mug wrote: post #526

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I really think we (as OCI/NRI) should move on from using Jallianwala or whatever. This doesn't help. Don't use BS to justify. Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices. Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. Who did what? You need to fix your own country. Even if British didn't invade - the princely states of India were feuding. Fighting. If it was not one count…

Wtf am I reading... How can you even suggest moving from Jallianwala bagh when so many people were killed in the most gruesome way. I suggest you to watch the documentary once and then go ahead and suggest the same. > Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years. ??? No, it is our bloody past that we will never forget what the British did that day. Even British historians from documentaries mention that people…

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by dgxyz »

carlosjobim wrote: post #487
dgxyz wrote: post #263

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No. No one really gives a shit about AI other than the tech industry and vocal CEO culture which is just using it to bury recession and regular lay offs. Otherwise it's novelty value and frustration but no one is going to use it or pay enough for it to be viable as an economic backbone. There are many more important things to consider. Like literally everything else society sits on top of.

AI is great at translating, doing a task in seconds which would take days. For almost no cost. That is quite significant on a continent like Europe, with dozens of different languages.

I have a friend who's a professional translator. No it isn't. She's forever cleaning up after the mess it left people in. In fact business for her is really booming thanks to people who think that is the case.

And I'm not talking about LLMs here but DeepL etc.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by bjoli »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #527
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

US perspective: EU looks like a great place to expand into once I've reached some critical size threshold. But I can't imagine starting a business there. In the US we have effectively limitless capital, tons of tech talent, and many fewer regulations. Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations.

On the other hand, I could never imagine moving to the US. It seems like such a third world country in so many ways. The amount of households that cant afford a sudden $400 expense without borrowing. The childhood poverty rates. The maternal mortality rate. The traffic deaths (en even worse, the pedestrian traffic deaths going in the wrong direction fast), people dying at work, the fact that you managed to get hookworm BACK, the power grid (I love in a small society in Sweden and I have averages 6 minutes of power outages per year), people being functionally illiterate.

I am pretty sure that would not affect me if I moved there, but I am completely dumbfounded that nobody seems to want to change things. One party wants the status quo and one party seems to want to make things worse.

I am not sure I would be able to stand that.

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Post by drstewart »

eb0la wrote: post #170
Synaesthesia wrote: post #11

We need more like this. Europe is totally dependent on US companies for cloud computing.

Until now nobody thought it was a problem. At least not a big one. The EU made some moves to define a "cloud computing" platform for Europe, and very little people paid attention because business-wise it was very difficult to compete with US corporations that have vast amounts of money in cash and find easy to get funding. But now there are some (small) alternatives. LIDL has its own cloud for retail. And I believe T…

>Until now nobody thought it was a problem.

I've seen these "EU digital sovereignty is around the corner!!" articles weekly for the past 10 years

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Post by hardlianotion »

tvshtr wrote: post #530
baby wrote: post #481

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There is also australian and british markets I assume?

Britain is trying to get tighter with UE and back into the common market.

It’s not trying to get back into the common market.

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Post by the_gipsy »

xp84 wrote: post #430
tsimionescu wrote: post #406

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I think that your outlook on US politics and future leadership is naively optimistic (though I very much hope to be wrong). First and most importantly, I don't think it should be considered a given at this point that there will be a democraticly elected successor to Trump. It's clear from past attempts and current declarations and actions that the Trump regime will try to maintain power instead of ceding it at future…

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Every official or aligned pundit in the GOP is obliged by Trump's universally-known vanity to make a show of supporting literally every dumbass thing he does, knowing he'll purge them if they even question things. So I will say we can't actually get a read on what they truly think until Trump is gone, preferably by passing away peacefully of old age rather than hanging around live-…

You're missing the point: she was a woman.

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Post by akst »

BrenBarn wrote: post #537
eduction wrote: post #261

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It’s great yes, but if we in the US weren’t proving so untrustworthy, EU startups and tech giants could focus on building things that actually might out innovate us and everyone else. Which would be a win-win. Instead they will spend a lot time duplicating tools where only US companies are providing options, and maybe not innovating much if anything in those areas. Or not enough to matter much. I don’t blame them. Th…

Duplicating things is underrated. It's good for there to be multiple operators doing basically the same thing. Innovation can happen at the margins. It will be easier, not harder, for EU companies to innovate in meaningful ways after they've built their own systems and are no longer just following in the wake of big US companies. (Not to mention that half of what passes for innovation these days is actually bad.)

If you’re assessing things entirely on a strategic basis makes total sense. It’s understandable why they are doing it but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s underrated or suggest there are no drawbacks.

Duplicating things without reason is wasteful. With a hobby project sure that’s your own time and is likely more an act of consumption and personal fulfilment. But these are national economic resources being redirected away from other things.

In software in a large codebase where there are coordination costs with reuse due to the organisation structure, there’s a strategic reason not to reuse, but it might highlight a limitation of the organisation structure, but that’s not something someone making the call to reuse code or not can do much about.

Likewise France really can’t do much about the state of the US and dependency is understandably seen as a risk.

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Post by mmkos »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #11

We need more like this. Europe is totally dependent on US companies for cloud computing.

The cost to bootstrap a sovereign cloud offering in Europe that can even begin to compare to the big ones in the US would be humongous. There would need to be a solid, multi-year incentive for a company/startup to even want to attempt it. It has to come from the top. Else force the big US clouds operating in Europe to be ready to effectively detach from their US counterparts if shit hits the fan, though this one's probably not realistic.

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Post by hardlianotion »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #310
oblio wrote: post #289

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You do know that the UK literally isn't in the EU, right? A lot of your rant is really weird.

I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) I wouldn't consider it a rant per se but rather that India's trying to move towards an multi polar deal and EU and India actually has a more net negative and Indians are wary of…

India has literally just finished agreeing a significant new trade deal with the UK.
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