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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

What's important to understand is you can do everything lawful, and they will still lie about you and kill you.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. There’s a lot to be worried here, but I’m surprised that’s what you are more worried about There is no doubt in my mind that the the current DOJ won’t lift a finger against any of the agents involved

Hmm... well maybe I need to explain my fear better. Because Pam Bondi/DoJ refuses to prosecute these cases, this will _keep happening_ for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for ICE to stop this behavior. Its not today's crime that scares me most. Its the easily predicted future where this gets worse by next month. The converse is the rise of the far-left. We're already seeing Black Panther patrol with long-gu…

The [white] Heritage Foundation has many binders on how to mitigate/quash peaceful protests.

We don't live in the time of Ghandi anymore.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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> Why is the focus on Minneapolis? Is it really the training ground for ICE? Somalis and Ilhan Omar. Was talking to a Unitarian Universalist minister recently. He says his life is pretty much dealing with immigration issues for the past year. He said there is considerable 'chatter' that the next significant target will be Maine because there is a large-ish Somali community there. I have no idea how reliable that chat…

> the next significant target will be Maine because there is a large-ish Somali community there. That started a few days ago.

Operation "Catch of the Day"

I'm not kidding

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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ICE are not police officers, or even traditional law enforcement officers.

Please note, a question does not imply an opinion . Could you provide a reference for them not being federal law enforcement officers (specifically immigration law)? I've seen this mentioned several times, but can only find evidence that they are. For example Cornel Law [1]: > The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). > CE’s…

18 USC § 115(c)(1)

(1) “Federal law enforcement officer” means any officer, agent, or employee of the United States authorized by law or by a Government agency to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of Federal criminal law;

HSI special agents have authority to investigate violations across multiple federal statutes including immigration law (Title 8), customs law (Title 19), general federal crimes (Title 18), and the Controlled Substances Act (Title 21). But who we think of as ICE aren't HSI special agents.

Enforcement and Removal Operations (normal ICE agents) do not have this authority and are not Law Enforcement under 18 because they are enforcing administrative removal or civil immigration status violations which are civil proceedings, not Federal Criminal Law violations. Someone whose role is limited to civil or administrative enforcement of immigration status (without authority to enforce federal criminal law) would not, on the face of the statutory language alone, qualify under § 115(c)(1).

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Separately, when you fly at an airport, TSA are enforcing a subsection of travel laws (just like ICE enforces a subsection of immigration and customs law), but they are not 'law enforcement' as shown here:

https://jobs.tsa.gov/law-enforcement

Actual law enforcement is a seperate arm, the Federal Air Marshal Service. You can carry out targeted subsections of the law without being actual law enforcement.

ICE training has been reduced from 5 months to eight weeks. Law enforcement training was 16 weeks on it's own previously. There is zero possibility they are receiving law enforcement training in 8 weeks. There are now rumors training has been reduced to six weeks (ICE fails to update what their current training program is). I would note that training does not mean they are law enforcement (many Prosecutors and others attend Law Enforcement training) that type of training just means that they understand the system. You would not be able to cut ACTUAL law enforcement training in half (or more in this case) if someone is an ACTUAL law enforcement officer. Complete Law Enforcement training would be a REQUIREMENT of an ACTUAL Law Enforcement job, not something optional that can just be cut out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruit...

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2026/01/ice-more-doubled-i...

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In addition, 8 CFR § 287.8 - Standards for enforcement activities requires " The following immigration officers who have successfully completed basic immigration law enforcement training are hereby authorized and designated to exercise the power conferred". It can be argued current ICE training does not meet this requirement of Federal law to qualify and they are only authorized for not law enforcement civil immigration enforcement.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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"The Queen of England Dies" and "Donald Trump elected president" both happily sat at #1.

This article is #1 on news.ycombinator.com/active right now. Obviously top of mind for a lot of us right now. Pretty hard to find it without the /active, though.

Right. But the whole point is that it isn't on the front page and vastly fewer people know about /active, since it isn't even in the navbar.

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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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take your ignorant takes elsewhere, please. or at least be less of a coward and use your real hn account

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As time goes on, the satire of Eddington becomes increasingly poignant. I'm amazed you could come up with an analogy like this in regards to holding accountable people granted lethal force in a democratic society.

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Yeah, you are missing a lot of somethings. Alex Pretti was a good man, who cared about our nation's veterans, who was murdered for defending a woman while exercising his lawful rights as an American (the Second Amendment and First Amendment). I didn't want to leave your statement slandering the murdered man un-contested as to the situation. Alex was doing what we are taught being an American means, and he was killed…

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Because many HN readers flag anything that they deem to be “politics”

I would say "wrong politics". Atrocities committed by other regimes have no problems staying on top page.

Unless that regime is Israel.

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They had him pinned to the ground and disarmed when they shot him in the back, based off the various analyses of the videos. So the shooting is going to be very hard to justify (though they'll try really hard, and so will you it seems).

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