Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars • Hacker News Board

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by ge96 » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:42 PM UTC

melenaboija wrote: post #166

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While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

I want that throaty Lotus Exige shame only 260s legal in US. No electric for me not because I'm against it but I love that sound, real sound. I know Tesla Plaid can do 0-60 in 1.9 but so can Corvette C8. Not that Exige is that powerful but it's a sexy car.

This is awesome to me https://youtu.be/0c9prOTdp_M?si=r0q3vqohdVNw7HpF&t=181

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by nicoburns » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:43 PM UTC

vee-kay wrote: post #556

nicoburns wrote: post #482

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> When your EV breaks down, you won't even bother to get it towed, because the only ones who can repair are the (very expensive) showroom of the car manufacturer you bought it from, or their authorized (and very expensive) service center That's true, but it is has more to do with parasitic capitalism than EV technology, and could (and hopefully will）be solved with regulation. My understanding is that there is already…

Regulation will do nothing because it is not meant to tackle such problems. EV is basically a battery-powered motor on wheels. The smartphone in your hands is a battery-powered communication device with a touchscreen. If your smartphone doesn't work, can you take it to any phone repair shop and get it repaired for anything other than a battery replacement or screen replacement (or if the service center guy is technic…

Regulation has everything to do with this.

> EVs are DESIGNED and MANUFACTURED to be extremely difficult to repair even by excellent technicians and software experts.

Correct. So we should pass regulation that makes this illegal (or otherwise prohibitively expensive for manufacturers due to legal responsilities which would be difficult to fulfil with such a design). We know that repairable EVs are entirely possible.

The same applies to smartphones and whole bunch of other hardware from washing machine to tractors, and is the basis of the "right to repair" movement.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NetMageSCW » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:45 PM UTC

antonkochubey wrote: post #380

SoftTalker wrote: post #246

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There's only one real Porsche, a gasoline-engined 911.

Nowadays the 718 might be more of a Porsche than the 911

It definitely is, especially for the price.

But the 911 range has a lot of bandwidth and there are models that go from minimalist driver’s car (911 T) to Touring/GT (most 911s) to race car for the street (GT2/GT3). But you definitely pay to step outside the GT box.

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Post by wiseowise » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:46 PM UTC

NetMageSCW wrote: post #555

wiseowise wrote: post #507

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I'm a "car enthusiast" and even I understand that holding onto ICE is like holding onto horses because cowboys look cool. It is a distilled macho culture like those old Marlboro ads.

You are wrong - it is like holding onto horses because cars require carrying a mechanic to get anywhere. BEVs aren’t ready for every use and every place and every one in the US by at least a decade, so keeping an ICE / buying one today is the pragmatic choice.

> EVs aren’t ready for every use and every place and every one in the US by at least a decade

Gee, I wonder why.

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Post by TheJoeMan » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:46 PM UTC

rswail wrote: post #416

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My last MOT in a petrol engine required suspension, tyres and lights. Electric wouldn’t change any of that

Lights with LEDs are likely to not need maintenance. Suspension and tyres might actually need more frequent maintenance because of the extra weight of an EV. But how often does suspension require actual maintenance?

When your LED brake light goes out, you have to purchase an entire assembly as the LED's are part of the PCB. There are no "bulbs" for a few dollars. And with the matrix LED's a few may go out, now your brake light "sort of" works, so it's even harder to justify replacing.

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Post by bluGill » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:47 PM UTC

nielsbot wrote: post #333

jabl wrote: post #247

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Might be 90% of current sales. Still a lot of ICE cars on the road.

Yes, that's what I meant. Was just curious how the market for gas has changed (or not) in NO given that.

In the US the average car is 12 years old. I don't know Norway, but I expect similar. Which is to say I don't expect this to have made any difference in the number of gas stations yet. Gas station owners are watching numbers, but and are likely to open less in the future (not zero, some new development/locations will be important, but some locations that previously would have got one will not longer be worth the investment. Or maybe they put in the station without gas pumps - people still need those snacks (again I don't know the market in Norway, in the US that is how it would be).

Gas stations are also trying to figure out how charging fits in. While people are expected to charge at home, there will still me some demand for on the road charging. This is a place that hasn't worked out yet (I personally expect people will go for a nicer meal and sit down for an hour charge - but this might be my bias)

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Post by bluGill » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:50 PM UTC

toephu2 wrote: post #224

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111

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I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

A bit sad that you're in the industry and you don't understand why pure EVs are better than hybrids. Full EVs: Less moving parts = less maintenance required = less issues to worry about (think no oil changes, no timing belt changes, no spark plug replacements, no belt/filter changes, no exhaust system checks, etc). Also zero emissions = better air quality around you. Bonus: it's like waking up with a full take of gas…

> Full EVs: Less moving parts = less maintenance required = less issues to worry about (think no oil changes, no timing belt changes, no spark plug replacements, no belt/filter changes, no exhaust system checks, etc).

The above is a tiny part of the costs of an ICE. Sure you have to do it, but either it isn't common, or it is cheap. ICEs have gotten very reliable over the decades.

Meanwhile most of the parts of a car a common between an ICE and EV. You have tires either way, which need to be rotated (do you?) Shocks/struts, rust, tie rods, AC compressors, just to pick a few random ones.

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Post by NoGravitas » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:52 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #401

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Especially as Toyota seems structurally unable to create a good EV. They produced one completely bare-bones model 30 years ago and never expanded past that. At least they're keeping some knowledge of the parts by having PHEVs, but I don't think they're on the leading edge of anything. Maybe they don't need to be and can buy everything from other suppliers, but they're going to be doing a whole lot less than they curr…

I've been pondering this, especially given that Japan is not an oil-producing country, and concluded: it's the internal politics of the engine group. That is, the people who design engines and run the engines division have sufficient heft within the organization that they can prevent a good car being made that doesn't have an engine in it. It's sort of worked out for them as they have a big niche in the taxi market,…

To me it feels like Toyota have over-committed to parallel hybrids, because they did them first and best, and are now unwilling to move on (to EVs and serial hybrids) even now that it's past time.

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Post by TheJoeMan » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:53 PM UTC

mindfulmark wrote: post #579

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I wouldn't be too concerned. Hyundai used to be synonymous with "garbage".

Anecdotal, but I'm extremely disappointed with my Hyundai Tucson purchase. It's the first car I've owned. The drive train is gone on it and the mechanic says it's a common issue. Only 140k on it, 2019. It's hard to believe I paid so much for it and got so little use.

140,000 miles is a lot of use in 7 years. "expected" design life of cars can be 10yrs/100,000 miles. Sorry to hear about your drivetrain issues. I don't know about the Tucson in particular, but many manufacturers are lying about the transmissions having "lifetime" fluid when the transmission manufacturers themselves recommend fluid changes around 60-80k. But if you don't change it, yes technically the car will make it to 100k, but then no shop will touch the transmission fluid for fear of wrecking it.

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Post by vee-kay » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 3:58 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #592

vee-kay wrote: post #556

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Regulation will do nothing because it is not meant to tackle such problems. EV is basically a battery-powered motor on wheels. The smartphone in your hands is a battery-powered communication device with a touchscreen. If your smartphone doesn't work, can you take it to any phone repair shop and get it repaired for anything other than a battery replacement or screen replacement (or if the service center guy is technic…

Regulation has everything to do with this. > EVs are DESIGNED and MANUFACTURED to be extremely difficult to repair even by excellent technicians and software experts. Correct. So we should pass regulation that makes this illegal (or otherwise prohibitively expensive for manufacturers due to legal responsilities which would be difficult to fulfil with such a design). We know that repairable EVs are entirely possible.…

If 40+ years of mobile phones have not solved such problems through regulations, I am afraid they won't be solved for EVs either.

Furthermore, once EVs become mainstream across the world, it will be China controlling the world [since batteries and chips & ICs (integrated circuits) need Lithium, Rare Earth Metals, etc., but China has the monopoly on them (especially on Rare Earths processing)].

That's why China is doing its best to dominate EV market (as hinted in the above linked article), because it knows no nation can dethrone it for the basic essentials of any EV.

It would be a bad idea for the world to be beholden to a single country for anything. Oh wait, the world is already beholden to China for most of the manufacturing. LOL.

We are doomed.