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I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by morshu9001 »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #589
morshu9001 wrote: post #586

I tried Linux again recently. Microsoft needs to be deleted, but this plan is still delusional. Linux is way too confusing for preventable reasons, not even talking about compatibility with Windows stuff. I'm no Linux expert, but if a SWE has a hard time with it, can't imagine how an average person is supposed to use this. Yeah it's learnable, but nobody wants to. Come back when I can install Linux on a PC, not a "di…

Which distro and shell you've tried? I believe this makes a lot of difference, and there are distros that are catering for average users, but I have no ideia if it works.

Ubuntu, Mint, Debian lately. Tons of others before. bash shell

At some point Ubuntu had Gnome2 and only apt for packages, that made more sense than now

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by Zetaphor »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #301

I’m so close to the switch myself for silly reasons. I don’t like windows due to their creepy business practices and negative design patterns in their OS so I’m very bias against it. Forcing copilot is just the latest in their creepy practices… For more details on why I came close to switching: I use my win desktop as a host for ai services such as Comfy UI for stable diffusion generation since it is a beefy platform…

Running ComfyUI or _any_ AI stuff on Linux is a night and day difference in terms of ease of use and performance when compared against that of Windows users. Python on Windows is suffering

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by HeavyStorm »

voxleone wrote: post #299

It’s worth acknowledging the real challenges raised in this thread: desktop Linux still has rough edges for some use cases, hardware support isn’t always perfect, and niche professional software may lack native support or require workarounds. But these obstacles are not intrinsic technical limitations so much as ecosystem and investment gaps, areas where community projects, standards efforts, and wider adoption could…

You overestimate the level of investment the average person can and will make for these freedoms. People buy Kindles because they work (and are heavily marketed), they buy Apple because they simply work, and will keep preferring windows to Linux until Linux offer a easier barrier to entry.

Microsoft will (almost already has) loose its advantage to Apple before it loses to Linux.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by giancarlostoro »

I did this sometime in 2022. First I was using POP OS but I wanted to have something more up to date so I gave an Arch based distro a shot, EndeavourOS has been my go to for a full year without any feel of missing out on another distro or features. Yay is the best thing to happen to Arch Linux and its derivatives.

I feel like Pacman is the real reason for instability with people who dont understand how Pacman works messing up upgrade commands and not getting all their dependencies properly updated. When I tried Manjaro like ten years ago it was a mess.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by Zetaphor »

morshu9001 wrote: post #586

I tried Linux again recently. Microsoft needs to be deleted, but this plan is still delusional. Linux is way too confusing for preventable reasons, not even talking about compatibility with Windows stuff. I'm no Linux expert, but if a SWE has a hard time with it, can't imagine how an average person is supposed to use this. Yeah it's learnable, but nobody wants to. Come back when I can install Linux on a PC, not a "di…

You are learning an entirely different operating system. You're going to have to make some choices and do some research/learn new things. There will be challenges because it's something completely different from what you know.

The entire point of Linux is there isn't just one Linux, having centralized control of an OS is how Mac and Windows ended up so godawful.

As time goes on the UX will continue to improve (through targeted distros) for less sophisticated users, but we're realistically only now at the point where everything in the ecosystem is "good enough" for a large number of people.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by morshu9001 »

Zetaphor wrote: post #596
morshu9001 wrote: post #586

I tried Linux again recently. Microsoft needs to be deleted, but this plan is still delusional. Linux is way too confusing for preventable reasons, not even talking about compatibility with Windows stuff. I'm no Linux expert, but if a SWE has a hard time with it, can't imagine how an average person is supposed to use this. Yeah it's learnable, but nobody wants to. Come back when I can install Linux on a PC, not a "di…

You are learning an entirely different operating system. You're going to have to make some choices and do some research/learn new things. There will be challenges because it's something completely different from what you know. The entire point of Linux is there isn't just one Linux, having centralized control of an OS is how Mac and Windows ended up so godawful. As time goes on the UX will continue to improve (throug…

I've been using Linux on and off for a decade+, and it's a moving target. There is one Linux kernel, they can make one Linux OS. (and ofc people can fork but it should remain niche)

Meanwhile I can go on Windows after years and still know how to use it. Last version I daily used was 98, but 11 is still intuitive (despite being annoying).

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by vanviegen »

JodieBenitez wrote: post #362
vanviegen wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s still too confusing for the average user (many distros, many desktop environments, Wayland vs X, systemd vs init, snap vs flatpak). Users don't need to know about any of that, except for picking a distro and just using whatever is there. Regarding DAW - I get sticking with Windows if you have thousands invested in it. Even so, there's quite a bit of professional software out there with native support (like Bit…

> (like Bitwig) Been there, done that... worked fine but with an unacceptable performance penalty.

That's kind of surprising? Any idea what might have caused that?

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by zahlman »

jakkos wrote: post #575
zahlman wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point was exactly that GGP shouldn't have expected to be able to do the system update without risk. But the usual way to install Linux nowadays is from a live boot, so you automatically have a recovery drive anyway. It's not hard to set up regular restore points with Timeshift or similar, either. That said, I haven't had problems like what you describe in nearly 4 years.

I've used Windows, Ubuntu, and NixOS all for longer than I ever used arch and never had an update leave my computer inoperable.

And the other person did, as have many others on support forums.

Updates generally just work, on the balance of my experience and other available evidence. It's still unwise to schedule them at a time where a failure would be more disruptive than baseline, and it's still best practice to be prepared for a failure and not have to figure things out on the fly.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by breezykoi »

luqtas wrote: post #279
crocowhile wrote: post #278

I have been using Linux exclusively for twenty years now. I don't understand people who use anything else, to be honest.

have you tried to draw a circle with GIMP? /s

Yes, on my work's laptop that is running windows...
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