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I hate this bs where someone tries to defeat my point by making it one dimensional. Do we want to live in a world with no doctors? Do you think humans are such simpletons that you need to immediately go there in order to break down the argument for me? I think the world would be better if becoming a doctor wasn’t tied up with financial incentives and prestige. Lower the bar of becoming a doctor so the fees aren’t ast…
> There are 800000k patients who die or are seriously injured by a misdiagnosis every year. Yes, I once sat in a recovery room with my Mom after she had been given too much propofol during an endoscopy. Despite the fact that her breathing was labored, the clinic she was at didn't want to do anything so I called 911. I'm not sure what happened, but I can see that side of your point. I did learn to be much more careful…
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#592My uncle had an issue with his balance and slurred speech. Doctors claimed dementia and sent him home. It kept becoming worse and worse. Then one day I entered the symptoms in ChatGPT (or was it Gemini?) and asked it for the top 3 hypotheses. The first one was related to dementia. The second was something else (I forget the long name). I took all 3 to his primary care doc who had kept ignoring the problem, and asked…
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Only wierd for you because you got triggered by the Kansas part. In general the comment is true. There’s a school in Kansas that sits right on top of Caribbean schools in terms of reputation. I know several people who had to go there.
In general your comment was false. You're just lying and making things up. There are lower-tier medical schools in California, Massachusetts, and most every other state. The state, whether it's Kansas or somewhere else, is almost totally irrelevant to the quality of physicians produced.
I never said the state is correlated with the quality of the doctor, or even if the quality of the school is associated with the quality of the doctor. You made that up. Which makes you the liar.
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#594No. Absolutely not. The government owes its people a certain duty of care to say “just because you can doesn’t mean you should.” LLM’s are good for advice 95% of the time, and soon that’ll be 99%. But it is not the job of OpenAI or any LLM creator to determine the rules of what good healthcare looks like. It is the job of the government. We have certification rules in place for a reason. And until we can figure out h…
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#595There’s a lot of negativity here. I’ll just say I’m extremely glad I had ChatGPT when I was going through some health issues last year.
Eventually, one super-nerdy intern walking rounds with the resident in the teaching hospital remembered a paper she had read, mentioned it during the case review, and they ran tests which confirmed it. They began a course of treatment and my daughter now lives normally (with the aid of daily medication.)
I fed a bunch of the early tests and case notes to ChatGPT and it diagnosed the disease correctly in minutes.
I surely wish we had had this technology a dozen years ago.
(I know, the plural of anecdote is not data.)
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#596Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every healthcare system has problems, yes. However the spectre of medical debt and bankruptcy is a uniquely American one, so, IMHO, even if we moved to single-payer healthcare and every other problem stayed the same, but we no longer shoved people into the capitalist fuck-barrel for things completely outside their control, I think that's an unmitigated, massive improvement.
Well now you're talking about a different problem and moving the goalposts. It would be impossible for every other problem to stay the same under a single-payer system. That would solve some existing problems and create other new problems. In particular the need to hold down government budgets would necessarily force increased care rationing and longer queues. Whether that would be a net positive or negative is a com…
I am absolutely not. I am reacting to what's been replied to what I've said. In common vernacular, this is called a "conversation."
To recap: the person who replied to me left a long comment about the various strugglings and limitations of healthcare when subjected to the whims of insurance companies. You then replied:
> I generally agree (and sympathize with your wife), but let's not present an overly rosy view of government run healthcare or single-payer systems. In many countries with such systems, extensive therapy simply isn't available at all because the government refuses to pay for it. Every healthcare system has limited resources and care is always going to be rationed, the only question is how we do the rationing.
Which, at least how I read it, attempts to lay the blame for the lack of availability of extensive therapies at the feet of a government's unwillingness to pay, citing that every system has limited resources and care is always being rationed.
I countered, implying that while that may or may not be true, that lack of availability is effectively status quo for the majority of Americans under our much more expensive, and highly exploitative insurance-and-pay-based healthcare system, and that, even if those issues around lack of availability persisted through a transition to a single-payer healthcare system, it would at least alleviate us from the uniquely American scourge of people being sent to the poorhouse, sometimes poor-lack-of-house, for suffering illnesses or injuries they are in no way responsible for which in my mind is still a huge improvement.
> The statistics you see about bankruptcy due to medical debt are highly misleading. While it is a problem, very few consumers are directly forced into bankruptcy by medical expenses. What tends to happen is that serious medical problems leave them unable to work and then with no income and then with no income all of their debts pile up.
I mean we can expand this if you like into a larger conversation about how insurance itself being tied to employment and everyone being kept broke on purpose to incentivize them to take on debt to survive, placing them on a debt treadmill their entire lives which has been demonstrably shown to reduce quality and length of life, as well as introducing the notion that missing any amount of work for no matter how valid a reason has the potential to ruin your life, is probably a highly un-optimal and inhumane way to structure a society.
> What we really need there is a better disability welfare system to keep consumers afloat.
On that at least, we can agree.
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#597Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since when is Google the model to emulate?
Depends on your goals. If you are starting a business and you see a company surpass the market cap of Apple, again, then you might view their business model as successful. If you are a privacy advocate then you will hate their model.
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Is FDA approval worth anything to consumers anymore? The way things are run today, OpenAI could buy any stamp of approval through money and appeasement.
I was thinking more in terms of compliance, is it legal to sell medical tech without FDA certification? This is without getting into Physician licenses if we consider the product to be physician state advice.
Which is to say, OpenAI getting approval wouldn't make this any better if that approval isn't actually worth the paper it's written on.
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#599No. Absolutely not. The government owes its people a certain duty of care to say “just because you can doesn’t mean you should.” LLM’s are good for advice 95% of the time, and soon that’ll be 99%. But it is not the job of OpenAI or any LLM creator to determine the rules of what good healthcare looks like. It is the job of the government. We have certification rules in place for a reason. And until we can figure out h…
I wouldn't say the US gov has a good track record regarding it's "job" in healthcare.
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#600Gemini helped diagnoze me with eosinophilic esophagitis. I have had problems with swallowing all my life and doctors kept dismissing it as a psychological problem. I think there is a great space with ai medical help.
> eosinophilic esophagitis And how do you threat that ?