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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by ineedasername »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #503
ascendantlogic wrote: post #463

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I couldn't tell if the author was being ironic or just breathtakingly hypocritical.

Even if they were being hypocritical, I think the impact of briefly-bad UI on someone's blog post pales in comparison with bad UI in a product of macOS scale.

I don't know, I figure with a billion dollars Apple should be able to do much better at being awful than this. More proactive rather than accidental awfulness. Something that isn't just bad but capital intensive at the same time. Anyone can build a bad UX on a few menus, or a whole system incrementally over time. But to really lean in? Maybe commission famous artists with eye watering fees for each icon, truly over the top marketing campaigns, really get the cash-fired furnaces going. Really just go full-potlatch on things.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by PlanksVariable »

finnlab wrote: post #98

I’ve always respected macOS for being the 'stable' choice for not-as-techy people. But recent versions feel like a mess. Running Tahoe on my 2019 Mac Pro (Yes the cheese grater one) has been surprisingly frustrating. Simple things are broken: Ableton couldn't even trigger a microphone permission prompt, forcing me to meddle with a SQLite database, which is definitely not meant for end users to touch, just to get it w…

Tahoe broke trackpad scrolling in Safari on my 2023 MBP. Other users have been experiencing and reporting the issue for months. Apple still hasn’t fixed it in any of its updates or addressed it. Pretty bad.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by plutokras »

reddalo wrote: post #265
sirwhinesalot wrote: post #247

It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

I agree, Liquid (Gl)ass is hideous. I'll stick to macOS Sequoia for the time being.

I too have the techie urge to upgrade my software whenever I can, ut after watching the Tahoe demos, I'm staying on Sequoia indefinitely.

I would really appreciate it if the next macOS would be about stability instead of some fancy features barely anyone asked for.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by nosrepa »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #298
kenty wrote: post #255

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This is exactly my thoughts. If you are reading this, author, please either make the snowflakes less distracting or toggleable. They are a pain on mobile.

> author, please either make the snowflakes less distracting or toggleable They already did, as the grandparent comment already explained: >> TBF, you can turn it off by clicking on the snowflake icon in the top right corner.

Button doesn't do anything for me.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by EGreg »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #590
EGreg wrote: post #337

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Seriously. People got canned for resisting the corporate overlords. That’s capitalism. Corporations run by their employees? Guilds? Cooperatives? Hah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynbgMKclWWc Just that usually the forcefed initiatives have to do with corporate profits for shareholders, or trends like shoving AI into everything. Imagine saying no to that! Even at the supra-corporate and supra-national level, if the…

That’s not capitalism. That’s hierarchy. It didn’t start in the 20th century

Capitalism and competition produce the results I describe further down the comment. It escalates to planetary catastrophe

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by asadm »

xutopia wrote: post #557
postalcoder wrote: post #99

This is an excellent article. Apple has been rudderless on the interaction design front for over a decade now. The windowing mess is evidence of it. We now have the cmd+tab (app switcher), Spaces, Mission Control, (full screen) split screen, Stage Manager, and now tiled window control. None of those interaction metaphors have been expanded upon since their initial launch. I'm a "mac guy". I understood why Apple initi…

Cmd+~ switches windows of a given app in case you didn't know (not disagreeing with you but it is one shortcut I find super useful and it helps switch windows).

I heavily use this one actually.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by wlesieutre »

a022311 wrote: post #586
dehrmann wrote: post #498

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Apple just reduced Vision Pro production, but Liquid Glass was in motion well before that. What leaves me scratching my head is I never got the impression Apple believed in Vision Pro. It launched because after years of research, management wanted to see if the effort was worth continuing to invest in, but that wasn't a vote of confidence.

I'll have to second this. It's not even on Apple's homepage! I hadn't heard it mentioned for months before today. It had its niche share of users who actually found it useful, but apart from them it seems that the world is not ready for spatial computing (or maybe current spatial computing isn't ready for people, who knows?).

If it weren’t $3500+ I’d love one. The world isn’t ready for that price point.
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