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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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That's not what you said originally. You said: > To say that israel invests in defense is at least 1/4 untrue, since the US sends billions every year. That statement is completely false, and is very different than what you said just now. If you're going to walk back your words because you were proven wrong, that's fine, but don't claim you're "rephrasing" when you're actually changing your claim.

I’m not walking back anything. I said something, you misunderstood, i clarified. I stand by the original wording, as i believe most people are be able to understand my meaning. At some point I have to assume willful misunderstanding on your part

OK, now you're just lying. In the parent thread you said:

> To say that israel invests in defense is at least 1/4 untrue, since the US sends billions every year.

You are clearly claiming that because Israel's defense budget isn't entirely their own spending, that that claim is not entirely true.

Then someone else responded:

> That the US contributes doesn’t take away from the billions Israel did and does invest

If that hadn't been your claim, then you would have agreed with this. But you didn't - you responded and doubled down and made it extremely clear that that was what you were saying[1]:

> Actually it does? It takes about 1/4 away.

Given how incredibly clear you were about your claims, the "revised" statement:

> The defensive and offensive capabilities of Israel is about 1/4 larger because of american tax dollars not their own spending.

...is objectively and factually different.

It's not me who's misunderstanding - given not only the repeated statements that reinforced exactly the same point, and other commentators interpreting it actually the same (because they can read) - it's you who are lying about your original words.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46452929

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

#592

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You know, both sides can be bad. They're both led by bad people who do bad things and some good things. I've watched the Oct 10th attack videos. They're horrific. I've also watched the videos of civilian buildings in Palestine being have their roofs "knocked on" by a missile, followed shortly after by demolition by additional missiles.. And the Israeli solders dropping grenades on tents.. And the firsthand accounts o…

And how do you know the building is actually civilian? If Israel used a roof-knocker it's because they believed there was Hamas infrastructure or supplies in the building. And there's something inherently wrong about a grenade on a tent? Do soldiers not use tents?? As for the firsthand accounts--all reporting from the ground in Gaza is highly suspect. But it doesn't matter anyway--yes, we have clear evidence of civil…

In the video, it was clearly children and other civilians. I can't find it at the moment.

Here's an article from Reuters about the civilian deaths. You can also pull up satellite images and see for yourself that the country is being levelled. That's not something you do if you're seeking specific individuals. There's just no excuse for killing civilians.

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idRW842708112024RP1/

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

#593

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“Combatant adjacent” That’s some newspeak right there. Tell me, given all adult, non-ultra-orthodox, Jewish Israelis, regardless of gender, must mandatorily serve in the military and remain reservists for decades, does this mean most Jewish adults are “combatant adjacent”?

It's not newspeak. War has a huge logistics tail. That logistics tail is a completely valid target, often considered the primary target in western tactics. (Look at the original Russian attempt to seize Kyiv--Ukraine didn't attack the tanks, it cut them off. The guy driving the fuel truck for those tanks is combatant adjacent.)

Were all the dead women and children “combatant adjacent”? You implied most of those killed were. I’m challenging that assertion. If you keep shifting the definition of your own terms there’s no point having a conversation.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

#595

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Even if that were true - and it's likely true in some cases - the disregard Israel has shown has been appalling. You don't get out of this by blaming Hamas. You simply don't. If you believe you do - I'll be writing you off as a disgusting apologist. I'm not going to rehash the war crimes Israel has committed during the last two years. It's likely a waste of time as you already appear to be said apologist. A useful to…

Disregard? Always based on nonsense. The number that matters is civilians per combatant--and for urban combat where there hasn't been an evacuation Israel far outperforms every other country. Every other--they make us look bad.

Ok, thanks, so the sun shines out of Israel's ass and they can do no wrong.

Got it. Thanks for your input.

Talking of disregarding ...

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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> seeing kids shot at intentionally from drones Anytime somebody makes a claim about a drone operating a firearm, you should be extremely skeptical. There's a reason everyone uses explosive drones, not "drone with a machine gun". Small flying machines trying to fire off rounds doesn't work out. > submarine launched drones throwing incendiary munitions at a flotilla Per the Greek coastguard, someone left a lit joint b…

https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/tech/article-6...

And what would be Greek coast guard doing in Tunisian waters? And the joint fell spewing fire from the sky, and left behind a grenade casing, right?

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2025/09/10/incendiary-muniti...

You need to learn to lie better.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

#597

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. Israel is an illegitimate state, there is not "defensive technology" as far as they're concerned. Anything that perpetuates Zionism, is by definition offensive and a violation of human rights.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

#598

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Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. But everyone somehow seems to conveniently forget that part. Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below. The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on com…

> Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Apartheid is race based discrimination, not citizenship based like what happens in Israel/Palestine. Making an accusation of genocide does not mean there actually is a genocide. > Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. Compari…

> Apartheid is race based discrimination,

Which is exactly what Israel is. They literally have a term for it: "birthright"

Israel has been committing genocide for 80 years. No amount of tossing around the fake term of "antisemitism" is going to change that.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

#599

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Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. But everyone somehow seems to conveniently forget that part. Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below. The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on com…

You don't get to "resist" your neighbors existence because you want to claim their territory for yourself.

That territory is rightfully Palestinian, and always have been. You absolutely have a right to resist an occupying force on stolen land.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Israel saw over 16,000 rocket attacks last year from fundamentalist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and Yemen. The Iron Dome intercepted ~90% of them, resulting in thousands of lives saved. Iron Beam is the newer incarnation of this technology that uses lasers to intercept incoming rockets and drones with precision and much lower cost. Wonderful technology.

It resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent people murdered as it's stopping the Palestinians from being able to defend themselves. It's literally enabled genocide (along with US support).
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