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Re: Horses: AI progress is steady. Human equivalence is sudden

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Post by DeusExMachina »

fooblaster wrote: post #587
martin82 wrote: post #585

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why exactly do you need a deity to tell you to love your fellow man? Do you need god in your life to want to love your children? I think this is not quite right. I don't expect that the desire to create these tools independent of outcome in the valley is simply about greed , and for companies like anthropic, the ability to use AGI fear as a means to drive investment in themselves from VC class that lives the idea of…

> why exactly do you need a deity to tell you to love your fellow man?

Because that is not a given, as shown by the entirety of human history. Without God, the only arguments for love, or what is right, is just what people think/feel/agree on at a certain time and place, which has a lot of variations and is definitely not universal.

> Do you need god in your life to want to love your children?

Most people don't need God to love their children, and the ones that don't might not be convinced otherwise by God.

That said, what do you do exactly for that love? Do you cheat and steal to guarantee their future over others? If not because of some "benefit to society" logical argument that would convince no-one, why would one even care about that and not exploit society for their own benefit?

Almost everyone loves themselves and their family above all others. Only God can tell you to love your neighbors and even your enemies.

There are still many societies around the world where most people are mostly self centered and you can see the results. You are taking for granted many values you have, as if you arrived to them logically and indipendently instead of learning them from your parents and a society that derived them from God for centuries.

Re: Horses: AI progress is steady. Human equivalence is sudden

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maciejzj wrote: post #353

I may have developed some kind of paranoia reading HN recently, but the AI atmosphere is absolutely nuts to me. Have you ever thought that you would see a chart showing how population of horses was decimated by the mass introduction of efficient engines accompanied by an implication that there is a parallel to human population? And the article is not written in any kind of cautionary humanitarian approach, but rather…

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Post by inamorty »

martin82 wrote: post #585
UncleMeat wrote: post #388

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I have been completely shocked by the number of people in the tech industry who seem to genuinely place no value on humanity and so many of its outputs. I see it in the writing of leaders within VC firms and AI companies but I also see it in ordinary conversations on the caltrain or in coffee shops. Friendship, love, sex, art, even faith and childrearing are opportunities for substitution with AI. Ask an AI to create…

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Religion is toxic

Re: Horses: AI progress is steady. Human equivalence is sudden

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

jakewins wrote: post #402
empiricus wrote: post #380

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I agree that the current models are far from perfect. But I am curious how you see the future. Do you really think/feel they will stop here?

I mean, I'm just some guy, but in my mind: - They are not making progress, currently. The elephant-in-the-room problem of hallucinations is exactly the same or, as I said above, worse as it was 3 years ago - It's clearly possible to solve this, since we humans exist and our brains don't have this problem There's then two possible paths: Either the hallucinations are fundamental to the current architecture of LLMs, an…

The complexity of actual biological neural networks became clear to me when I learned about the different types of neurons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_oscillation

There are clock neurons, ADC neurons that transform analog intensity of signal into counts of digital spikes, there are neurons that integrate signals over time, that synchronizes together etc etc. Transformer models have none of this.

Re: Horses: AI progress is steady. Human equivalence is sudden

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

rvz wrote: post #81
billisonline wrote: post #50

An engine performs a simple mechanical operation. Chess is a closed domain. An AI that could fully automate the job of these new hires, rather than doing RAG over a knowledge base to help onboard them, would have to be far more general than either an engine or a chessbot. This generality used to be foregrounded by the term "AGI." But six months to a year ago when the rate of change in LLMs slowed down, and those exci…

Remember, these companies (including the author) have an incentive to continue selling fear of job displacement not because of how disruptive LLMs are, but because of how profitable it is if you scare everyone into using your product to “survive”. To companies like Anthropic, “AGI” really means: “Liquidity event for (AI company)” - IPO, tender offer or acquisition. Afterwards, you will see the same broken promises as…

There is a lot of critihype

https://sts-news.medium.com/youre-doing-it-wrong-notes-on-cr...

Re: Horses: AI progress is steady. Human equivalence is sudden

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Post by nasmorn »

danw1979 wrote: post #378
netsharc wrote: post #360

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I think, like the Bill Gates haters who interpret him talking about reducing the rate of birth in Africa as wanting to kill Africans, you're interpreting it wrong. The graph says horse ownership per person. People probably stopped buying horses, they let theirs retire (well, to be honest, probably also sent to the glue factory), and when they stopped buying new horses, horse breeding programs slowed down.

I wish the author had had the courage of their convictions to extend the analogy all the way to the glue factory. It’s what we are all thinking.

The owner class doesn’t need so much glue

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Post by arunabha »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #591
fooblaster wrote: post #587

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why exactly do you need a deity to tell you to love your fellow man? Do you need god in your life to want to love your children? I think this is not quite right. I don't expect that the desire to create these tools independent of outcome in the valley is simply about greed , and for companies like anthropic, the ability to use AGI fear as a means to drive investment in themselves from VC class that lives the idea of…

> why exactly do you need a deity to tell you to love your fellow man? Because that is not a given, as shown by the entirety of human history. Without God, the only arguments for love, or what is right, is just what people think/feel/agree on at a certain time and place, which has a lot of variations and is definitely not universal. > Do you need god in your life to want to love your children? Most people don't need…

Doesn't that only shift the question to what God wants you to do and in turn who interprets God's will?

Said another way, how would you conclude with any certainty that you are indeed following God's will with any action you take?

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Post by Joe-Dart »

inamorty wrote: post #593
martin82 wrote: post #585

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Religion is toxic

Writing off an entire facet of life as toxic, is toxic.

Anything taken to extreme can be harmful, but some of the most grounded and successful (as in, living well) people I know are those with a self-aware religious foundation to lean on. People may bring up examples of religious cults as a reason to discard all religion, but surely the same could be said for the many secular cults. We shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as they say.

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Post by dpoloncsak »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #591
fooblaster wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why exactly do you need a deity to tell you to love your fellow man? Do you need god in your life to want to love your children? I think this is not quite right. I don't expect that the desire to create these tools independent of outcome in the valley is simply about greed , and for companies like anthropic, the ability to use AGI fear as a means to drive investment in themselves from VC class that lives the idea of…

> why exactly do you need a deity to tell you to love your fellow man? Because that is not a given, as shown by the entirety of human history. Without God, the only arguments for love, or what is right, is just what people think/feel/agree on at a certain time and place, which has a lot of variations and is definitely not universal. > Do you need god in your life to want to love your children? Most people don't need…

Are we completely ignoring the tonnes of awful things people have done in the name of their god? Belief in a higher power doesn't automatically make you good/bad. The same is true of the inverse.

>Without God, the only arguments for love, or what is right, is just what people think/feel/agree on at a certain time and place, which has a lot of variations and is definitely not universal.

Lets ignore that laws exist for a second....Does god say everybody in Manhattan should reserve the left side of the escalators for people walking up them, and the right should be left for people just standing and escalating? No, but somehow a majority of the population figured it out. Society still has rules, both spoken and unspoken, whether god is in the picture or not

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Post by lawn »

martin82 wrote: post #585
UncleMeat wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been completely shocked by the number of people in the tech industry who seem to genuinely place no value on humanity and so many of its outputs. I see it in the writing of leaders within VC firms and AI companies but I also see it in ordinary conversations on the caltrain or in coffee shops. Friendship, love, sex, art, even faith and childrearing are opportunities for substitution with AI. Ask an AI to create…

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Not at all.

You can have morality without religion. Religion arguably makes it worse too.

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