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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

I, for one, welcome our Next Linus Torvalds.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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https://tangled.org/ is building on ATProto 1. use git or jj 2. pull-request like data lives on the network 3. They have a UI, but anyone can also build one and the ecosystem is shared I've been considering Gerrit for git-codereview, and tangled will be interesting when private data / repos are a thing. Not trying to have multiple git hosts while I wait

3 of the most exciting decentralized GitHub alternatives being developed today: Tangled (2024, ATP) Radicle (2019, IPFS) Codeberg (2018, Gitea fork which supports decentralized protocols)

Which decentralized protocols does Codeberg support?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

As I see it, someone who "listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride" would include a note at the end of the post about the edits. Admitting you were wrong requires not erasing the evidence of what you said. (He did post a kind of vague apology in https://ziggit.dev/t/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg-zig-p... , but it's ambiguous enough that anyone who was offended is free to read it as either retracting t…

Perhaps you should frame it differently if you speak for a company and provide criticism on a public platform, but mean tweets are often far less insulting that some business decisions customers and developers are subjected to.

I think developers here are probably perfectly innocent about these changes. The product mangers have to push for this integration or get replaced. This has been a theme at Microsoft for quite a while.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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> I haven't heard of Codeberg That's more of a you problem really. > I'd expect a proper discussion before deciding to move And you know the discussion did not happen?

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I am almost certain that the zig project will somehow manage to survive anyway without you following them.

And now you know about an alternative to gh that isn't a for profit company! Yay!

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Whatever the wording, what they are writing truly shows on Github. There are many things wrong with its code display ... All of which used to work fine or were not added in this buggy state in the first place. Code folding is buggy. Have some functions that have inner functions or other foldable stuff like classes with methods and inside the method maybe some inner function? It will only show folding buttons sporadic…

Do people actually use GitHub to inspect code? I figure for anything that's not a 1-second lookup, I might as well just do at least a shallow clone of the repo, and look through it with my own personally-tailored editor instead. Not to say their implementation doesn't suck. I just wouldn't know because even a non-buggy one would probably still be a subpar experience.

For my own PRs I like reading the changes again in the UI.

It is almost like getting someone else to proofread it since my mind isn’t as good at filling in the blanks like it is when looking at the code in the editor I wrote it in.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I don't get it, why did they allow GitHub bot to modify and merge pull request automatically? Yeah I agree that MS is ruining everything with AI, but this problem is avoidable, if they turn off the bot's auto merge feature, or turn it off completely. The reason they move to a lesser known Git provider sounds more like a marketing stunt.

What are you referring to? I may be missing a line from the article but it seems mostly focused around a lingering GitHub Actions bug and the direction of GitHub.

Then... don't use GHA and move to other CI/CD/Workflow platform.

If you try it, don't like it then don't use it, GitHub does not force you to use GHA anyway, and moving away from GitHub due to their direction sounds like a political movement. It's like someone who stop shopping from Walmart, not because they sells bad product but because they support the Republic, then going to a local shop that sometimes close unexpectedly sound unreasonable.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I don't get it, why did they allow GitHub bot to modify and merge pull request automatically? Yeah I agree that MS is ruining everything with AI, but this problem is avoidable, if they turn off the bot's auto merge feature, or turn it off completely. The reason they move to a lesser known Git provider sounds more like a marketing stunt.

> The reason they move to a lesser known Git provider sounds more like a marketing stunt. We had technical problems that GitHub had no interest in solving, and lots of small frustrations with the platform built up over years. Jumping from one enshittified profit-driven platform to another profit-driven platform would just mean we'd set ourselves up for another enshittification -> migration cycle later down the line.…

Well that explains a lot, because I thought that you guys moved due to their direction sounds more like a political act.

Btw why not GitLab?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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We are seeing the realtime result of MS buying Github and buying influence. Put this into context with what happened to twitter when it was bought. I stopped hosting my code on GH, even in private repositories years ago. It is a privacy nightmare to think about LLMs ingesting this information. I believe this is a positive development for Zig to steer away from being entangled with whatever MS is pulling on Github next. It's like avoiding a landmine when you move away from something that is starting to go on a revenue driven tangent relative to its core use case. If you put the claims that Zig needs a big project or stay niche aside, a lot of things Zig brings to the table make working with memory and systems much easier for those who can't get into rust (like me). Just install it and play around with it to see for yourself. I wish we'd go back to being more exploratory instead of focusing so much on economics and careers where corporations can influence what is the right thing to do.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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> ICE, Actions, and Microsoft, not a single complaint about git itself Codeberg is also a Git-based project host. It doesn't even support other repo types. Why would you be expecting the latter? If a project announcement or article headline says someone/something is quitting or leaving GitHub, it makes a lot of sense to assume that their issue is with GitHub (and in this case, it would be an assumption they'd be righ…

I was pointing out how ironic it was for them to move from git SaaS to git SaaS while having no issues with git on the git SaaS they're moving away from. Make sense?

> Make sense?

Only if they use it purely as a git SaaS which they don't, it's also an issue tracker and discussion forum. Even PRs aren't strictly a git concept. Given they use all those things and given they're against having AI features built into them, it does not seem ironic to me at all.

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